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Difficult to shift into gear
« on: September 26, 2011, 09:35:47 AM »
Hey guys what are some things I should look for/check on my car if it is becoming very difficult to get into gear when driving?
It seems to be harder to get into gear the higher the rpms are, if that helps at all.

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 10:15:52 AM »
Fluid level?
Type of fluid?
Last time it was changed?
Any grinding or noises?
Does it go more smoothly if you're careful about rev matching?
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 11:42:34 AM »
Do you feel or hear a 'click' when going into a gear?  Could be bent or loosening shift linkage.

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 11:53:16 AM »
i have seen the throw-out bearing fork break. there is a ball on the fork that can wear thru with time. It is pretty easy to see if you take a light and shine it down the boot that covers the fork.  also any grinds or noises that we should know about????
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 02:14:34 PM »
No grinding or noises really that i can recall hearing..  i'm going to take a look at the fluid level when i get home later.  It probably hasn't been changed in a while so i'm going to more than likely start there.
What kind of oil is recomended again?  I remember reading about one that works really well in our cars..

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 02:26:24 PM »
extra S.   i sell it here at capitaland.

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 02:26:35 PM »
offhand suggestion:  how's your clutch hydraulic system looking?  slave cylinder/master cylinder doing their duty, clutch releasing properly, no leaks present?
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 09:26:37 AM »
I honestly wouldn't know, man..  is there some ways I can check it?  I'm pretty limited with stuff I can do because of lack of tools and a place to actually work on the car, but if it's something easy I can probably check it out..

Fred, I may have to pick some of that up from you.  Thank you,

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 09:41:24 AM »
I can't remember if that RS clutch is hydraulic or cable.  I THINK it's hydraulic.  Either way, might be a good idea to visually inspect your slave cylinder, check the clutch reservoir and try bleeding it to see if there's air in the line.  If there is, you've got a leak somewhere.  Generally when things are hard to shift and get progressively worse, i've found it's a leak in the hydraulics most of the time.
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 11:34:26 AM »
Fred, I may have to pick some of that up from you.
Definitely do this. It made my car shift sooo much nicer  :mrgreen:

Still check the other stuff RedRoof mentioned, just saying if it needs fluid replaced anyway, that stuff's the shit
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 02:16:19 PM »
I can't remember if that RS clutch is hydraulic or cable.  I THINK it's hydraulic.  Either way, might be a good idea to visually inspect your slave cylinder, check the clutch reservoir and try bleeding it to see if there's air in the line.  If there is, you've got a leak somewhere.  Generally when things are hard to shift and get progressively worse, i've found it's a leak in the hydraulics most of the time.

THis happened on my Forester. Eventually my clutch stayed on the floor and I had to get towed home. A hard line between the slave cylinder and the actuator was slow leaking and eventually blew out.
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2011, 06:14:56 PM »
I can't remember if that RS clutch is hydraulic or cable.  I THINK it's hydraulic.  Either way, might be a good idea to visually inspect your slave cylinder, check the clutch reservoir and try bleeding it to see if there's air in the line.  If there is, you've got a leak somewhere.  Generally when things are hard to shift and get progressively worse, i've found it's a leak in the hydraulics most of the time.

It's hydraulic, and all of the system is easily accessible from the engine bay.  You have to take off the airbox, but that's it.  Even the line, all right there on top of the engine (more or less).  The slave cylinder and fork are right in the open, too, so grease the ball on the slave cylinder actuating rod:



It's the thing just after the rubber boot.  I didn't bother to take off the airbox for a picture.

As for the master cylinder, it's inboard (re: towards the center) of the brake booster/cylinder, and it's teeny.  You should be able to tell it when you see it.  If the line is leaking it should be pretty obvious too, since the line runs right over the transmission.

Hell of a lot better than my friend's Supra, where the slave cylinder was on the bottom of the bellhousing, and past the firewall.  Same thing on the Lotus, too...
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 09:31:47 AM »
Someones taking a look at it today..  if the cost to repair it is too high this thing is done for.  The money I've put into it just for repairs is ten times the book value of the freaking car.

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2011, 09:52:25 AM »
Someones taking a look at it today..  if the cost to repair it is too high this thing is done for.  The money I've put into it just for repairs is ten times the book value of the freaking car.

If yours isn't riddled with rust, you're still doing better than me.  I'm dumping the same money, but the car's gonna rust apart anyway.

If yo do end up getting rid of it, hit me up.  Hope you don't though.  These models are getting less and less common, and they're the best looking generation.  I'm determined to keep mine until I can get a Florida-car or similar.  I'll still use the current one for RXs, though.  :buck2:

Back OT, my tranny is very clunky too.  I'm sure a fluid change would help, but the reality is...  They're 11-year old cars.  Even with the 240k mine has, the tranny wouldn't exactly be new anymore...
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 09:12:51 PM »
^holy....im just about to break 150k by next week.... :cry:
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 11:08:04 PM »
ugh, mine's been getting a little hard shifting into 1st, and I got a clunk in the back end shifting into second taking a wide left turn today that I've never heard before.  Damn these old trannies  :|
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2011, 11:13:55 PM »
Definitly change th fluid with the Extra S. Mine had a SERIOUS grind going into 4th, changed it and BAM!!! Good to go.

It's amazing what good lube will do.....
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2011, 11:33:54 PM »
^holy....im just about to break 150k by next week.... :cry:

Pssh.  Better not hear any complaints from you for at least another 80k, then! :mrgreen:  Oh, and speaking of that:



Anybody who'd know, how much is it for enough fluid to do the change?  I suspect I'll be doing it after I get the suspension sorted, I want as many drivability issues fixed before winter as I can get...

OP, let us know what you hear from the "someone."
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2011, 11:36:34 PM »
Im gonna do Extra S asap....or whenever i talk to fred when i have money.... :-D

Hydro-i will bitch and whine and complain.....and then bury my speedo needle past 120 and be happy with my 11yr NA car.  :?
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2011, 11:50:39 PM »
Im gonna do Extra S asap....or whenever i talk to fred when i have money.... :-D

Hydro-i will bitch and whine and complain.....and then bury my speedo needle past 120 and be happy with my 11yr NA car.  :?

...if you can get the speedo past 120, you've still got a better car than me.  When I was on Monticello, the fastest speed I saw was ~110, assuming my speedo was accurate and I was actually paying attention to the speedo.  I know for sure I made 107...  But I did still have a fair amount of tacho to go...

But regardless, I didn't mean that our cars are bad, I just meant we have to accept the fact that they're old.  My mother has (don't laugh) a 2001 PT Cruiser, ~140k on it, and she babies this thing like it's the last one on the planet.  She takes it in for every scheduled service, she gets rust fixed the INSTANT it bubbles under the paint, she has the wheels/tires swapped religiously every summer/winter, and you know what?

It's still had all the clutch hardware replaced, all of the drive belts and pulleys, most of the suspension, it's had the heads apart because a dealer forgot to do the timing belt and it stretched, and it squeaks and rattles.  In fact, the clutch hardware had to be replaced a second time to get rid of one squeal.  And before you point the "Chrysler made it and it's a Neon underneath!" finger, I know.  That wasn't my point.  My point was old car=more trouble.

Hell even the '04 XJR has had its fair share of issues!  The control arm bushings went out, the TCM shat itself, the brake rotors are ALWAYS warped, and the tranny is beginning to die.  It still did 148MPH at Monticello, though, and was second only to 3 super-worked Evos, and one BRE 240Z (all instructor cars on slicks, he, my father, was 1st-timer on P-Zeros).

Old car = more work.  Good old car = more fun, though.

And hey, maybe we can do the Extra S swap at the same time, I know I'll love having the lift when it comes time.
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2011, 12:38:19 AM »
My GPS said 132mph and the needle wasnt near 120 on the speedo....the air pressure inside kinda made me let off(i gotta fix my driver window...i have the notorious air noise by the mirror from air blasting in) and i felt the responsibility part in me be like....slow da fuck down! She may have a lil more in her....



Old cars....of domestic and UK origin....well what else needs to be said?  :-D
 I can vouch for my 02 Grand Prix GT, she's still kicking around with over 165k and over 10k was from my bro, and about 45k was from me. Beastly boat compared to the RS but didnt have a great top speed...105.


Yes i know, me talking about the fastest my cars have gone with me in them.....shame on me.  :idiot2:
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2011, 07:12:30 AM »
Do a swap. You'll get to 130 in half the time and still pull.   :evil:
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2011, 10:33:36 AM »
My GPS said 132mph and the needle wasnt near 120 on the speedo....the air pressure inside kinda made me let off(i gotta fix my driver window...i have the notorious air noise by the mirror from air blasting in) and i felt the responsibility part in me be like....slow da fuck down! She may have a lil more in her....



Old cars....of domestic and UK origin....well what else needs to be said?  :-D
 I can vouch for my 02 Grand Prix GT, she's still kicking around with over 165k and over 10k was from my bro, and about 45k was from me. Beastly boat compared to the RS but didnt have a great top speed...105.


Yes i know, me talking about the fastest my cars have gone with me in them.....shame on me.  :idiot2:

I don't trust my car to any substantial speed, anyway, what with the bad suspension and lumpy wheels.  And steering.  I've gone to 150 in our jag, but I wasn't driving.  I would be interested to see what the Fiero can do, but the engine started knocking and it's weeping oil onto the headers, and its wheels are SOOOO off-balance.

The aren't really any other cars worth mentioning.  I think the VW gear-wise maxes at 90...  But I wouldn't trust it, what with the fact it's 45 years old, and it has no RPM limiter.  The Roadmasters will do ~160, but you have to remove the limiter, and that requires a $400 ECU programmer, otherwise it's limited to 105.  The XJR would do 185ish, but Jag limited it to 155 (supposedly).  The Lotus should make about 125, but that's apparently bouncing off the limiter.  Okay, maybe there were some worth mentioning...  But that's it.  The 944 doesn't run, the PT Cruiser has (and never will) never seen 90, and the Electric car's motor RPM limits the speed to 90, and the Imperial could do more than 90, but...  It's a '61 land yacht.  90 is terrifying.

Swaps are expensive!  When the swap money has to be poured into continuing the car as a DD...
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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 04:45:19 PM »
I ended up getting rid of the car...  it was rusting apart, could barely fill with gas without it spraying out or the pump shutting off from the gas coming back up into it, windows didn't go up or down, and then the transmission issue was the nail in the coffin.
Golsteins took it off my hands for a grand and I felt as though that was the most I'd get for it in the condition it was in.
I'm picking up the '08 WRX sedan tomorrow..   thank god I'll have a turbo under the hood again.

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Re: Difficult to shift into gear
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2011, 09:25:22 AM »
A grand?  Depending on how bad the rust was, that sounds a bit low.  The gas issue was probably just a charcoal canister issue, or vent issue...  The windows just popped off their tracks, right?  None of it seemed very serious, and I don't see any rust in your sig pic, so you had less than mine, and I paid 4k for mine, with 216k on the clock.
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