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Re: Running REALLY rich!!
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2011, 09:22:25 AM »
^ Well said.  From the way the info looked to me though, there's isn't even a knock sensor installed, the connector was essentially jumped with a resistor.  OP, is that right, or is it, as Chill said, spliced in?

Maybe a bit more info, you said the O2 died, but I don't think you ever said you replaced it?  That would cause HUGE problems with A/F ratios, since the ECU can't actually figure out WTF the engine is doing.
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Re: Running REALLY rich!!
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2011, 04:49:59 PM »

 My understanding is that the knock sensor is still very much present, simply less sensitive than before.  Running any motor without a knock sensor is an extraordinarily bad idea.  Running no knock sensor on a modified motor with no tune, well, that's even worse.

 A resistor is a very crude way of limiting the signal that the ECU sees from the Knock Sensor.  Ideally you'd use a spectrum analyzer, and try to find at what frequencies the knock signal is most visible above the background noise (aka other shit banging around), and then apply some frequency selective filtering to further enhance the signal to noise ratio. Then accept only any signal over a set threshold as actual knock.  While that sounds complicated and idealistic, it's also not needed when things are designed properly (sensor from Subaru) or when you add new variables to the equation, you compensate for them properly (tuning for your mods).  Even with something like J&S Safeguard, a load qualifier is used to disable the knock detector under light engine loads and deceleration, where things like piston slap can cause an interfering signal.  Remember:  You are asking a circuit to detect knock that you can't quite hear, while ignoring engine noise that you can hear and the input is essentially a microphone.  It takes real signal processing, not a $3.00 resistor from Radio Shack.
 

 
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Re: Running REALLY rich!!
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2011, 06:51:39 PM »
Good call man!! Thanks!! It's a 99 2.5 with a Cobb cai, stainless header and exhaust with hi flow cat. It has TWE race cams and titanium springs. The dude told me that the cams were somehow messing with the knock sensor, so he bypassed it with a resistor. That's all the mods as far as making power.

That's why I thought it didn't have a knock sensor.  It's an absolutely retarded idea to run without one, but that could certainly cause some distinct issues.

I learned all I wanted to about signal analysis at WPI.  I had to build my own oscilloscope to try to trouble shoot the 944, too.
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Re: Running REALLY rich!!
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2011, 09:17:22 AM »

 Out of curiousity:  If you went to WPI, why are you at HVCC ?  Moved, then changed major ?
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Re: Running REALLY rich!!
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2011, 10:44:05 AM »
Well...  When I went to WPI, I was 18 and hadn't really gotten the whole gist of college yet.  Plus the 7-week terms were even more difficult than I thought.  Technically I'm still enrolled there, but the long and short of it is I flunked out.  I managed to scrape by and I suspended my attendance (or something to that effect).  The plan was for me to get a job for a year or two, and I ended up going to HVCC for the MECT program.

I still have the option to go back...  I just don't know if I will.
-'00 BRP 2.5RS- rustbucket DD with cheap suspension  :D
-'66 VW Type III 1600 Squareback- Survivor, 42k miles, competing in the Great Race 2012
-'83 944- mostly-un-broken track car
-'84 Fiero- V8 swapped, soon to get new fuel injected LT1
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