1.8-2.2L

[GhettoscoobGC]

Ok I finally decided to sell my '87 Supra and bought a 2.2L engine for my severely underpowered 1.8L Brighton.  The garage I bought it from told me they'd do the swap for me for $350.  After $350 for the motor ('97 w/ 103k on it, great condition out of a rear-ended L) the total is $700 plus gas to drive to Vt and back, is this a good deal? ...and is that a difficult swap? because 2 garages told me they didn't want to "get involved in that mess" when I asked for a quote. Thanks guys.

[BlackParis]

honestly its amazing you found a shop that would do a swap of anykind..... I had a hard time trying to find a shop to put my 89 integra motor (d16a3) into my 88 integra that came w/ a d16a1 the difference was compression was upped and the distributor was changed.. would have had to swap the distributors... tiss all and noone would do it so i had to do it myself...

I dont really know to much about swapping suby motors but I am sure someone here will know  good luck!

[FastfreddyRs]

I would need to know what year your car is and what year the engine came out of. it could be a very simple sway. chances are the 1.8 and 2.2 use the same intake so the only real difference would be in the wiring to the throttle body you could probally to keep things simple is swap the  block and heads from the 2.2  into the car but keep the 1.8 intake on the car so all the electronics stay the same. the only electrical sensors that go to the engine are the crank sensor and the oil pressure sensor. which use the same electrical plugs.

[skyphix]

Fred doesn't know anything about upgrading engines. HE's never gone 2.5 to 2.2 back to 2.5, with wRX heads and a few turbo's...

[beat22]

his rs was a 1.8 with a pcv pipe CAI

also was that 97 2.2 an awd?.... do they still have the trany?... can i get there #

[stylesrex]

Ok I finally decided to sell my '87 Supra and bought a 2.2L engine for my severely underpowered 1.8L Brighton.  The garage I bought it from told me they'd do the swap for me for $350.  After $350 for the motor ('97 w/ 103k on it, great condition out of a rear-ended L) the total is $700 plus gas to drive to Vt and back, is this a good deal? ...and is that a difficult swap? because 2 garages told me they didn't want to "get involved in that mess" when I asked for a quote. Thanks guys.

Your going to swap a 2.2L, then what?


Turbo?


Supercharge?

Built N/A?

Is something we dont know about the 2.2L?  1.8-2.2 will still be underpowered

All the 2.2L will give you is a hint of power and the desire to upgrade again.

Not tryin to bust ya ballz, but you might want to consider atleast a 2.5L

[evilSTI]

If you need any other parts.. I have a 2000 Impreza sitting here with a 2.2 in it....  Should have pretty much everything under the hood for sale soon...

[BlackParis]

Your going to swap a 2.2L, then what?


Turbo?


Supercharge?

Built N/A?

Is something we dont know about the 2.2L?  1.8-2.2 will still be underpowered

All the 2.2L will give you is a hint of power and the desire to upgrade again.

Not tryin to bust ya ballz, but you might want to consider atleast a 2.5L

When ya go put it in Just get a nice set of headers (ebay has em reasonably priced get the obx equal lengths) go cat-less w/ o2 simulator (make your own @ radioshack 25$ and thatll make ya pass obd2 testing) and do a good CAI  and ya should be damn close to the output of a 2.5 My first suby was a 2.2 and I thought that was fast when i was dumb and young 

[beat22]

When ya go put it in Just get a nice set of headers (ebay has em reasonably priced get the obx equal lengths) go cat-less w/ o2 simulator (make your own @ radioshack 25$ and thatll make ya pass obd2 testing) and do a good CAI  and ya should be damn close to the output of a 2.5 My first suby was a 2.2 and I thought that was fast when i was dumb and young 

no one makes headers for the 2.2 except borla.... its a single port outlet... do not but a cai on it... you wont be happy...the stock airbox is plenty for the 2.2, obviously tom had been hitting the pipe tonight

[BlackParis]

no one makes headers for the 2.2 except borla.... its a single port outlet... do not but a cai on it... you wont be happy...the stock airbox is plenty for the 2.2, obviously tom had been hitting the pipe tonight

lol i dont know shit about the 2.2 lol i thought it was fast enough when i owned it I know if ya dump the clutch @ 6k it will spin a couple tires and start going! lol cant ya make the OBX for my 2.5 fit it? or have devin weld ya up a nice set? He does do exhausts!  he has the midas touch!

[beat22]

lol i dont know shit about the 2.2 lol i thought it was fast enough when i owned it I know if ya dump the clutch @ 6k it will spin a couple tires and start going! lol cant ya make the OBX for my 2.5 fit it? or have devin weld ya up a nice set? He does do exhausts!  he has the midas touch!

the 2.5 has 2 ports per head...the 2.2 has 1 per head....they will not work... and as far as doing custom exhausts at midas....the welder is fubar'd... we thought we had it fixed but you should see the shit weld that it did on aussiedan's leggie, its like the gas isnt coming out...i really don't understand...it has a new wire feed because we thought that there was some sort of blockage...its a hobart from harbor freight..but it's a company owned by miller so the boss thought it would be descent quality,we thought wrong... i cant wait for our new lincoln...

[BlackParis]

i have a hobart too  I hate it... I use my ell-chepo Chicago Electric Ebay special anyday over that damn hobart   

[GhettoscoobGC]

Sweet, I called the garage and told them to keep the stock intake and possibly throttle body. Thanks much guys.  As far as the rest being parted out, I lost the # but he'll call back in a couple days or it may be online-Allen Garage, Chelsea, Vt. And yes, my plans do involve a turbo in the future.  I'm doing it ground^ though, so next I need sway bars, suspension, RA tranny, F&R LSD, then swap internals for lower compression and strength, port the head, new head gaskets, then turbo kit...But if anyone has anything worthwhile for sale, let me know. I leave 1/1 for SLC, Utah so show your cards. Thanks everyone.

Peace

[stylesrex]

And yes, my plans do involve a turbo in the future.  I'm doing it ground^ though, so next I need sway bars, suspension, RA tranny, F&R LSD, then swap internals for lower compression and strength, port the head, new head gaskets, then turbo kit...But if anyone has anything worthwhile for sale, let me know. I leave 1/1 for SLC, Utah so show your cards. Thanks everyone.

Peace

no one makes headers for the 2.2 except borla.... its a single port outlet... do not but a cai on it... you wont be happy...the stock airbox is plenty for the 2.2, obviously tom had been hitting the pipe tonight

Dont waste your time turbo'ing a 2.2L its junk!  Like Beat (now deadrex) said, the heads have 1 port outlet, goodluck getting enough flow outta them to spool a turbo. i read your post and advise you to not port those aweful heads.

Even if you swap heads for 2.5 SOHC heads, you still have horrible cams and a shitty bottom end.  I know you said you were going to eventually put internals in the 2.2L but your still stuck with an open deck block and related shortcommings.

For the amount of money you plan on spending buying lower compression pistons, performing head work, new head gaskets, and random miscelanous parts strengthing the 2.2L your getting very close to to price of a STi shortblock.  STi shortblock is much stronger by design as it is a factory turbo block.

Not trying to talk you out of getting some more performance just  giving you some info to make wise decisions.

If you are budget minded, look into a full wrx swap<engine, tranny,ecu,wiring>.  you can find those really cheap and dont have to worry about internals<as much> as long as you tune it.

[skyphix]

Dont waste your time turbo'ing a 2.2L its junk!  Like Beat (now deadrex) said, the heads have 1 port outlet, goodluck getting enough flow outta them to spool a turbo. i read your post and advise you to not port those aweful heads.

Even if you swap heads for 2.5 SOHC heads, you still have horrible cams and a shitty bottom end.  I know you said you were going to eventually put internals in the 2.2L but your still stuck with an open deck block and related shortcommings.

For the amount of money you plan on spending buying lower compression pistons, performing head work, new head gaskets, and random miscelanous parts strengthing the 2.2L your getting very close to to price of a STi shortblock.  STi shortblock is much stronger by design as it is a factory turbo block.

Not trying to talk you out of getting some more performance just  giving you some info to make wise decisions.

If you are budget minded, look into a full wrx swap<engine, tranny,ecu,wiring>.  you can find those really cheap and dont have to worry about internals<as much> as long as you tune it.

Thats what I said until Fred's 2.2 DUSTED my 2.5 Turbo (and it was an STi...)

Of course, its not QUITE apples to apples.

[FastfreddyRs]

Thats what I said until Fred's 2.2 DUSTED my 2.5 Turbo (and it was an STi...)

Of course, its not QUITE apples to apples.

Nothing i do is quite apples to apples , as i say that with a living room full of goodies

[stylesrex]

Thats what I said until Fred's 2.2 DUSTED my 2.5 Turbo (and it was an STi...)

Of course, its not QUITE apples to apples.

Not quite apples to apples is the understatement of the day

Besides the fact that freddy had a GC vs your "plump" GD chassis......................................

the ej22 is no comparison to the 22T block fred had

some of the more notable differences, closed deck, oil squiters, lower compression pistons

The 22T short block is made of a different aluminum than all the other open deck blocks. It is a sandcasted "medium pressure diecast aluminum crankcase...utilized to secure the higher rigidity necessary with a closed deck."  "thermalflow type pistons are  used to stand the high heat load at full throttle." (SAE technical document #890471).

[BlackParis]

Nothing i do is quite apples to apples , as i say that with a living room full of goodies

hmm may I ask y he dusted the STi?

[skyphix]

Not quite apples to apples is the understatement of the day

Besides the fact that freddy had a GC vs your "plump" GD chassis......................................

the ej22 is no comparison to the 22T block fred had

some of the more notable differences, closed deck, oil squiters, lower compression pistons

The 22T short block is made of a different aluminum than all the other open deck blocks. It is a sandcasted "medium pressure diecast aluminum crankcase...utilized to secure the higher rigidity necessary with a closed deck."  "thermalflow type pistons are  used to stand the high heat load at full throttle." (SAE technical document #890471).

... why do you think I said its not Apples to Apples. Just because its Apples to Hammers...

Fred's car was faster than my STi. Thats why he dusted it

[beat22]

didnt read 2nd page...you already said these things

[crAppAchic0]

hmm may I ask y he dusted the STi?

...cause he's the FastOne...

(somebody had to say it...)

[GhettoscoobGC]

Ya I know nothing's either easy or cheap, guess that's without saying though.  I was talking to a few scoob guys, Redscoob in particular who's a good friend of mine and my original plan was to get the 2.0TT from Japan and swap that in w/ an Apex'i axess port and convert it to single T b/c I believe that's a closed deck and would take a lot less work and $$ to get good power gains from it.  It also goes for only $750 all day long on Ebay, so I'll possibly do that next summer after all the other stuff's out of the way.  Anyway, he advised me to build the 2.2 b/c it's got a little more displacement for teh gnarly spoolage. Input/criticism...

[beat22]

Ya I know nothing's either easy or cheap, guess that's without saying though.  I was talking to a few scoob guys, Redscoob in particular who's a good friend of mine and my original plan was to get the 2.0TT from Japan and swap that in w/ an Apex'i axess port and convert it to single T b/c I believe that's a closed deck and would take a lot less work and $$ to get good power gains from it.  It also goes for only $750 all day long on Ebay, so I'll possibly do that next summer after all the other stuff's out of the way.  Anyway, he advised me to build the 2.2 b/c it's got a little more displacement for teh gnarly spoolage. Input/criticism...

i doubt he's talking about the na 2.2... i own one...its reliable when left stock...they are junk modded...don't waste your time...if you want a 2.2 get a 91-91 legacy gt motor and go from there....as they said...usdm wrx motor ftw!

[stylesrex]

Anyway, he advised me to build the 2.2 b/c it's got a little more displacement for teh gnarly spoolage. Input/criticism...

granted you already own a 2.2L but why stop there if your looking at bumping the displacement, which is one of the reasons why i suggested the 2.5L.  you think 2.2L has gnarly spool youve never ridden in a 2.5L turbo

Subarus are like legos most blocks will work with most heads. but why would you want to use the ej22e n/a heads?  do you know if they are the single or dual port like we mentioned many posts ago?  if they're single then def dont use them they wont flow enough,poor cams etc etc.  the dual port head ej22e n/a heads would work but the ej22t heads already have oil and coolant returns because they are factory turbo heads.

Like most things there are several ways to skin a cat just giving you some food for though.  there are a few guys on this board who have built some really nice "franken, hybrid" engines, if your lucky maybe they can give you some more advise.

some things to think about:

x-member
turbo
exhaust
oil return line from oil pan

[BlackParis]

hmm what are the chances we can find a wrecked automatic WRX? lol Ill take the trans and TCM and ya can have the motor for your swap ...