Stylesrex: the voice of dissension

[stylesrex]

With the insurgence of new members, there is seemingly a lack of real answers or advice.  popular responses link them to a larger site with more myths.  false information repeated doesnt make it true.  This thread is intended to dispel myths and provide factual information for anyone to use to make a educated decision. With the facts I'll also include my analytical opinion on subjects.  Aside from real answers and facts I'll also use this thread to contain my ranting and raving.  *such bitching will be denoted at the top so that it is not confused with facts.*

[1bugeyedrex]

Yea, all the newbs should just stop learning about their cars through helpful bigger sites like nabisco, clubwrx etc.. (no I'm not supporting it) Actually should just stop posting anywhere, in fact we should just ban them all..... 

[skyphix]

Yea, all the newbs should just stop learning about their cars through helpful bigger sites like nabisco, clubwrx etc.. (no I'm not supporting it) Actually should just stop posting anywhere, in fact we should just ban them all..... 

Excellent idea. Fantastic.




Everyone needs a place to bitch. I've heard styles complain about internet myths for a long time. Its the internet myths he's attacking, not the newbs. They don't know any better than to believe them (on occasion, myself included).

[madlife]

Yea, all the newbs should just stop learning about their cars through helpful bigger sites like nabisco, clubwrx etc.. (no I'm not supporting it) Actually should just stop posting anywhere, in fact we should just ban them all..... 

Ill take the Soc'ers and CNY'er advice over them anyday.. They actually take the time to explain to me in term's that an auto noob can understand.   Overall I try my best to shoot the shit in the lounge, and let the technical posts stay technical... If I dont just tell me to STFU.. I can take it..

Of course, Ive been a member here for a while, but lived in CNY for most of it, hence why I dont know most of you personally.

[deadlydave]

I've heard styles complain about internet myths for a long time. Its the internet myths he's attacking, not the newbs. They don't know any better than to believe them (on occasion, myself included).

I agree, I have often fallen into the rampant fanboy flock opinion. 

Look at any of the big places' topics:  Blow off valves, time attack wheels, street racing.  The opinions are never the same for long.

Question, @styles:  Oil Catch cans--rumor has it that one is insufficient and two are needed.  Debunk? 

[darroj]

Fact: Sytles is awesome. I'm 3000 miles away and I call Styles for help and he knows lots of thing

[madlife]

Fact: Sytles is awesome. I'm 3000 miles away and I call Styles for help and he knows lots of thing

+1... never met him but he has quite the reputation here and I been referred to him if I need help.. Then again, that was by Deadly and who actually trusts him .

[byroll01]

Question, @styles:  Oil Catch cans--rumor has it that one is insufficient and two are needed.  Debunk? 

well, i've been around a while too but I don't put my self out there as much as anymore...
Catchcans....from what I know STi's (all 2.5 turbo's?) need two due to the design of the PCV and valve cover breather system.  2.0 WRX's can get away with one. 

FWIW I just installed a Crawford (ooh the devil) Air/Oil Separator in place if my 2 catch cans.  I was still getting a lot of oil back in my intake and FMIC pipes with 2 cans and big hoses.  There's much talk, good and bad, about these over on the 'cock.  We'll see if it cures all my woes or blows my motor. That's what everyone claims it'll do. HA HA.

[blufnrckar]

I got the same one( Byron copy cat me-LOL, just kidding ). I have more problems and my car is in the shop more than I drive it, but Ill let you guys know what I think of mine as well.
-Byron as well is someone who is very knowledgable and helpful at that-I owe him a lot

[byroll01]

you don't have to kid, you were the catalyst for me to buy the used one that I had been watching on the 'cock.  I'm always looking in the classifieds over there, it's just sometimes I confuse what I want and what I need.
ha ha.
 

[stylesrex]

catch cans:  there is much controversy regarding these.  im just going to state a couple of things.  if you have oil in your intake track, intercooler or pooling in your turbo its from either the crankcase or turbo seal.

my analysis is this:  excess crankcase pressure forces oil out the pcv system as designed.  in some scenarios the pressure can be high enough force oil out the turbo seal.

since many of us have modified cars we see oil in our intake systems.  reason being that our cars produce higher crankcase pressure.  the stock pcv system is sufficient for stock cars but not all of ours.  brand new subarus they clean intakes.  no residue.

if you are experiencing oil in your intake track, intercooler or pooling in your turbo.....your engine is modified or worn or both.

built engines will have more oil build-up, residue and the like because of higher cylinder/crank pressures and looser tolerances.

i hope this helps dave.

[Str8Sleeper]

Question, @styles:  Oil Catch cans--rumor has it that one is insufficient and two are needed.  Debunk? 

There are a variety of ways to install a catch can. There's one right way, two sort-of right ways, and some would argue that at least one common installation method which is wrong.

Sort of right ways:
1) Disconnect the hose which runs between the PCV valve and the turbo inlet pipe. Run a line from the PCV to the catch can, and another line from the catch can to the turbo inlet hose.

2) Disconnect the hose running between the crank case breather lines and the turbo inlet pipe. Run new hose between the breather line and the catch can and another hose between the can and the inlet pipe.

Right way:
Use two catch cans. Configure one as discussed in option one and the other as described in option 2. For optimal effectiveness, this is the way to go.

Wrong way:
Disconnect the PCV<->Inlet line as well as the Crank Vent<->Inlet line. "T" the PCV and Crank vent lines together, and run the remaining end of the "T" to a single nipple on the inlet pipe. Cap the remaining nipple on the inlet. You'll be sending boost into places that definitely shouldn't ever see any. Bad idea.

[idipskoalmint]

There are a variety of ways to install a catch can. There's one right way, two sort-of right ways, and some would argue that at least one common installation method which is wrong.

Sort of right ways:
1) Disconnect the hose which runs between the PCV valve and the turbo inlet pipe. Run a line from the PCV to the catch can, and another line from the catch can to the turbo inlet hose.

2) Disconnect the hose running between the crank case breather lines and the turbo inlet pipe. Run new hose between the breather line and the catch can and another hose between the can and the inlet pipe.

Right way:
Use two catch cans. Configure one as discussed in option one and the other as described in option 2. For optimal effectiveness, this is the way to go.

Wrong way:
Disconnect the PCV<->Inlet line as well as the Crank Vent<->Inlet line. "T" the PCV and Crank vent lines together, and run the remaining end of the "T" to a single nipple on the inlet pipe. Cap the remaining nipple on the inlet. You'll be sending boost into places that definitely shouldn't ever see any. Bad idea.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=754710

[Str8Sleeper]

this is true! , sorry didnt copy n paste the whole comment,
There are a variety of ways to install a catch can. There's one right way, two sort-of right ways, and some would argue that at least one common installation method which is wrong.

Sort of right ways:
1) Disconnect the hose which runs between the PCV valve and the turbo inlet pipe. Run a line from the PCV to the catch can, and another line from the catch can to the turbo inlet hose.

2) Disconnect the hose running between the crank case breather lines and the turbo inlet pipe. Run new hose between the breather line and the catch can and another hose between the can and the inlet pipe.

Right way:
Use two catch cans. Configure one as discussed in option one and the other as described in option 2. For optimal effectiveness, this is the way to go.

Wrong way:
Disconnect the PCV<->Inlet line as well as the Crank Vent<->Inlet line. "T" the PCV and Crank vent lines together, and run the remaining end of the "T" to a single nipple on the inlet pipe. Cap the remaining nipple on the inlet. You'll be sending boost into places that definitely shouldn't ever see any. Bad idea.

taken from nasioc, im sure someone could figure it out.

this was a comment from vlietsti's question in the "meets" section so i figured id move it on ova.
way to tattletell dip.......lol
 

[Str8Sleeper]

because there is info on other sites doesn't mean the info is wrong. this is true.

[idipskoalmint]

way to tattletell dip.......lol

I just recognized it, that's all - wanted to make sure credit was given

[stylesrex]

if you have enough oil in your intake system to warrant 2 catch cans then your problems are much greater than simple blow-bye. 

[deadlydave]

if you have enough oil in your intake system to warrant 2 catch cans then your problems are much greater than simple blow-bye. 

When we take off my IC, we should have a look inside to evaluate the necessity of me installing 0, 1, or 2 cans.

[byroll01]

if you have enough oil in your intake system to warrant 2 catch cans then your problems are much greater than simple blow-bye. 

I take it you didn't read my comment....2.5's are not designed like 2.0's. Check it out b4 you set Dave on the wrong course.

[Str8Sleeper]

I go through almost 2 qts in 3500 miles and there are no problems with my car at all..... just excessive blowbye due to high rpm shifts. ive had it checked out top to bottom because it bothers the shit outta me that my turbo is covered in oil all the time therefore i will be prob go with the 2 can setup on my 2.0, if i ever get around to it. i wonder how long this motor will take my abuse??

[phong]

ive had it checked out top to bottom...i wonder how long this motor will take my abuse??

Did that top to bottom check include a recent compression check, because if not I would be worried.  When my car was losing that much oil my engine was dead in very short order. I will say that driving style and choice of oil definitely can have a major effect on oil consumption but 2 quarts is getting up there on a more or less stock engine.  I gather from reading your posts around the forum that you are young and drive your car pretty hard.  Keep a close eye on your oil level because right now you might "only" have a bad ring, bad turbo seal, and or bad driving style but the loss of oil caused by each of those combined with high rpm driving can lead to the dreaded spun bearing that has taken so many engines.  Ok, I'll stop lecturing...

[Str8Sleeper]

Did that top to bottom check include a recent compression check, because if not I would be worried.  When my car was losing that much oil my engine was dead in very short order. I will say that driving style and choice of oil definitely can have a major effect on oil consumption but 2 quarts is getting up there on a more or less stock engine.  I gather from reading your posts around the forum that you are young and drive your car pretty hard.  Keep a close eye on your oil level because right now you might "only" have a bad ring, bad turbo seal, and or bad driving style but the loss of oil caused by each of those combined with high rpm driving can lead to the dreaded spun bearing that has taken so many engines.  Ok, I'll stop lecturing...

ok,ill be nice. YES it did include a compression check. my car does not smoke at all, the rings are fine. There is nothing wrong with the way i drive my car either. I may be young(21) but I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!!! and yes i do drive hard, because i am not scared to unlike most of these chumps who buy a fast car a baby it. I live life to the fullest,live fast die fun my friend. im sorry if you cant! ALSO, because you may not know. I DONT CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS ENGINE, I will be putting a 2.5 in asa this little 2.0 shits the bed. I do impecable PM on all of my cars, i understand you may not know me but please NEVER make assumptions because i hate being angered at 10:30 on a sat morn when i have a hang over from last night when i was up all night being YOUNG and having fun with my life. what were you doing?? Don't need the lecture, never asked for it. im no idiot. ive been around cars my ENTIRE LIFE!!!! sorry if this sound argumentative but im just in a bad mood. i better go check my dipstick though, seeing as I am young and prob never do........you  mang

[byroll01]

uhh, i thought his post was pretty judgment free. He looked like he was stating the obvious and warning caution.

If you want your motor gone, why wait. Swap it out now while you still have a good block to sell that you can make money on.

I live life to the fullest,live fast die fun my friend

Who are you James Dean?  You know he didn't die from a blown motor he died in a car crash.  And great yeah, hung over. Give me a break, they're called aspirin and water. try it b4 bed.

[phong]

ok,ill be nice. YES it did include a compression check. my car does not smoke at all, the rings are fine. There is nothing wrong with the way i drive my car either. I may be young(21) but I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!!! and yes i do drive hard, because i am not scared to unlike most of these chumps who buy a fast car a baby it. I live life to the fullest,live fast die fun my friend. im sorry if you cant! ALSO, because you may not know. I DONT CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS ENGINE, I will be putting a 2.5 in asa this little 2.0 shits the bed. I do impecable PM on all of my cars, i understand you may not know me but please NEVER make assumptions because i hate being angered at 10:30 on a sat morn when i have a hang over from last night when i was up all night being YOUNG and having fun with my life. what were you doing?? Don't need the lecture, never asked for it. im no idiot. ive been around cars my ENTIRE LIFE!!!! sorry if this sound argumentative but im just in a bad mood. i better go check my dipstick though, seeing as I am young and prob never do........you  mang

Wow, just wow...just trying to be helpful.  I actually thought I was being pretty nice.  I even ended it with one of these  stupid things to show that I was being friendly.  Hell the lecture comment was me making fun of myself.  I realize this is the internet and its easy to fly off the handle but there is no need to lash out, especially in small local forum where there is a good chance we will eventually meet face to face.  My hangover must not be as bad as yours I guess.

Oh, and in my post I never made any assumptions. I only made 1) observations from other posts (yours) I have read and 2) gave real advice from someone who has actually had an engine go bad.

I am going to leave A LOT on the table here in order to keep things collegial.

[deadlydave]

...popular responses link them to a larger site with more myths. This thread is intended to dispel myths and provide factual information for anyone to use to make a educated decision. With the facts I'll also include my analytical opinion on subjects.  Aside from real answers and facts I'll also use this thread to contain my ranting and raving. 

Heads up, this is starting to get very off topic and very personal.  It would be swell if we got back to the regularly scheduled Styles' griping. 

Thank you, Drive Through.