with great power, comes great law enforcement attention . . .

[idipskoalmint]

but that backs up what I was saying, that they wouldn't be able to automatically ticket you just because it was your car.  "Sorry your honor, I loan my car out quite often, I can't be sure that was me driving it that day"  

I remember hearing something about EZPass doing the start/destination ticket system.

With red light cameras (and the discussed EZPass ticket system), since you can't prove the identity of the driver, the ticket would be a fine with no points issued to the owner of the vehicle (like a parking ticket). They set it up like that such that you, as a vehicle owner, can recoup the fine from whoever was driving your car that day (in the case it wasn't you).

[RedRoof2]

With red light cameras (and the discussed EZPass ticket system), since you can't prove the identity of the driver, the ticket would be a fine with no points issued to the owner of the vehicle (like a parking ticket). They set it up like that such that you, as a vehicle owner, can recoup the fine from whoever was driving your car that day (in the case it wasn't you).

But if you think about it, that opens up a whole ball of wax.  Think of how many people would claim it wasn't them, ask NYS to prove it wasn't them, take it to court, blame someone else...    the backlog from this process would be ridiculous since the majority of people ticketed would look for a way out.  They're smart if they look at it now and think "we have enough to catch speeders," because they do.   They've got speed cams on the highway in some areas, they've got plenty of state troopers and they're already raking in revenue from charging higher tolls for bridges and highways than any other state in the nation.   They start using EZPass for speed tickets and they'll have a public revolt and they know it.  You'll see EZPass lose half its membership as a start and a ton of drivers will start using alternate routes.  I know if EZPass was capable of nailing my ass on the trip from Albany to Long Island, I'd take the Taconic instead of 87.  Screw that shit and fuck NYS for thinking it's going to burn me on a ticket.  I'm lucky the Jeep can get TO the speedlimit, nevermind over it.

[idipskoalmint]

But if you think about it, that opens up a whole ball of wax.  Think of how many people would claim it wasn't them, ask NYS to prove it wasn't them, take it to court, blame someone else...    the backlog from this process would be ridiculous since the majority of people ticketed would look for a way out.  They're smart if they look at it now and think "we have enough to catch speeders," because they do.   They've got speed cams on the highway in some areas, they've got plenty of state troopers and they're already raking in revenue from charging higher tolls for bridges and highways than any other state in the nation.   They start using EZPass for speed tickets and they'll have a public revolt and they know it.  You'll see EZPass lose half its membership as a start and a ton of drivers will start using alternate routes.  I know if EZPass was capable of nailing my ass on the trip from Albany to Long Island, I'd take the Taconic instead of 87.  Screw that shit and fuck NYS for thinking it's going to burn me on a ticket.  I'm lucky the Jeep can get TO the speedlimit, nevermind over it.

I compared it to a parking citation for a reason; if I lend you my car, and you park in a handicap spot and receive a parking ticket, it goes to the licensed owner of the vehicle (me), not the person driving (you). Could I then tell the judge they need to prove it was me who parked the car there or else the ticket is not valid? Since the citation would come with a timestamp, as the owner of the car, I would hope you could figure out who was driving your car at that time, and could recoup the fine from them and be out nothing (no points = no insurance hike). This "parking ticket style" citation is the only way I can think of in which they would be able to get around the "it wasn't me" loophole.

Using the EZPass as a way to generate revenue via tickets would create a huge hit in the people using them (personally, I wouldn't care as I hardly break 75 anyway, and I doubt they'd send me a ticket for < 10mph over). I'm not sure how revenue works, but I know a few exits are cheaper with EZPass than paying cash. Aren't there some bridges in the NYMA like that as well? Maybe Staten Island or something (I avoid the NYC area like the frat house slut). I do know that there are already measures in place with EZPass and point/point speed calculation; one of my co-workers had her EZPass revoked due to the time she got from start/destination a while back while still living near Buffalo. I knew of issues with passing through the toll plazas too fast, but this was the first I'd heard of speed calculation.

[RedRoof2]

This "parking ticket style" citation is the only way I can think of in which they would be able to get around the "it wasn't me" loophole.

I knew of issues with passing through the toll plazas too fast, but this was the first I'd heard of speed calculation.

Well the main issue here is the legal difference between a citation and a moving violation.  They'd have to address that.  A parking ticket is an "Aw Shit" matter, but it's only a matter of paying a fine and not having points on your license and a resulting bump in car insurance prices.  That's the main issue at stake.  They can't use EZPass for a citation unless they create a separate category of "EZPass Speed Fine" that doesn't include points on your license.  Knowing NYS, i'm sure they'd find a way to push that through the legislature

And yes, EZPass can find your speed through a toll plaza.  A friend of mine was clocked at 51mph and got a very nice nasty envelope in the mail for it.  You kind of have to be an idiot to speed through a plaza anyway.

[idipskoalmint]

Well the main issue here is the legal difference between a citation and a moving violation.  They'd have to address that.  A parking ticket is an "Aw Shit" matter, but it's only a matter of paying a fine and not having points on your license and a resulting bump in car insurance prices.  That's the main issue at stake.  They can't use EZPass for a citation unless they create a separate category of "EZPass Speed Fine" that doesn't include points on your license.  Knowing NYS, i'm sure they'd find a way to push that through the legislature

When I first heard about the possibility of EZPass speeding tickets, it was discussed in a light that would make it the equivalent of a parking violation. Would our state pass it? Think about it, we live in a state in which one of (if not) the most recent tobacco tax increases goes towards education (not something like health care). What's so ironic about that? Well, they teach us not to smoke in school. Talk about biting the hand that feeds

Just about nothing being passed in the NYS legislature would surprise me

And yes, EZPass can find your speed through a toll plaza.  A friend of mine was clocked at 51mph and got a very nice nasty envelope in the mail for it.  You kind of have to be an idiot to speed through a plaza anyway.

I agree; too often I see the attendants step first, look second. Luckily, I've never seen anyone get clipped (though, it's been close a few times). With that said, was he just geting back from NJ when he did this?

[Kavik]

ummmm, guys?  I think this thread was about radar detectors?  I know, I helped derail it, but maybe we should start another thread to discuss EZ-pass and speed traps and such? 

[mrplow83]

Thats not legal. Radar detectors are perfectly legal and there for not subject to seizure in NY any way. There is at least one state that has outlawed them but here they are as legal as your car stereo.

I don't know if this is 100% true.  I know of 2 people who have had their radar detectors seized by the cop after they were caught speeding.  Maybe it is up to the cop's discretion?

[Kavik]

after very minimal searching, I've read that they're legal for private vehicles in NY, illegal for commercial vehicles....but illegal to mount in your windshield.  they'll get you for a general obstruction of view, same as if you have something haging from your rearview

[SideshowBob]

Don't drive like an asshat, don't get pulled over. Pretty straightforward.

[Kavik]

 http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us

Vehicle and Traffic Law § 397-A
    §  397-a.  Radar detectors and laser detectors prohibited. 1. No radar
  detector or laser detector shall be used in any  motor  vehicle  with  a
  gross  vehicle weight rating of more than eighteen thousand pounds or in
  any commercial vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of  more  than
  ten  thousand pounds.   The presence in such vehicle of a radar detector
  or laser detector connected  to  a  power  source  and  in  an  operable
  condition  is  presumptive  evidence  of its use by any person operating
  such vehicle.  Such presumption shall be rebutted by  any  credible  and
  reliable  evidence which tends to show that such radar detector or laser
  detector was not in use.
    2.  The  provisions  of  this  section  shall  not  be  construed   as
  authorizing  the  seizure  or  forfeiture  of  a radar detector or laser
  detector, unless otherwise provided by law.
    3. A violation of the provisions of this section  shall  constitute  a
  traffic infraction punishable by a fine of not less than twenty-five nor
  more than one hundred dollars.

[20 BLK WRX 04]

ummmm, guys?  I think this thread was about radar detectors?  I know, I helped derail it, but maybe we should start another thread to discuss EZ-pass and speed traps and such? 

haha thankk you!!  . . . so what should i get lol

[mrplow83]

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us

Vehicle and Traffic Law § 397-A
    §  397-a.  Radar detectors and laser detectors prohibited. 1. No radar
  detector or laser detector shall be used in any  motor  vehicle  with  a
  gross  vehicle weight rating of more than eighteen thousand pounds or in
  any commercial vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of  more  than
  ten  thousand pounds.   The presence in such vehicle of a radar detector
  or laser detector connected  to  a  power  source  and  in  an  operable
  condition  is  presumptive  evidence  of its use by any person operating
  such vehicle.  Such presumption shall be rebutted by  any  credible  and
  reliable  evidence which tends to show that such radar detector or laser
  detector was not in use.
    2.  The  provisions  of  this  section  shall  not  be  construed   as
  authorizing  the  seizure  or  forfeiture  of  a radar detector or laser
  detector, unless otherwise provided by law.
    3. A violation of the provisions of this section  shall  constitute  a
  traffic infraction punishable by a fine of not less than twenty-five nor
  more than one hundred dollars.

Maybe the cops were just being *perfect, well-adjusted, highly respectful, additions to our society, that would never bend the law to their interpretation* 

Ill pass the word along to them, although I think they were more concerned with the speeding tickets.

haha thankk you!!  . . . so what should i get lol

Buy a Valentine 1 

[Kavik]

honestly, I'd hold off for a bit.  see if you can manage not to get another ticket ( ), then determine if you really get them enough that it's worth putting down $500 on a top of the line radar detector.  That was my plan, and I haven't bought one yet 

[idipskoalmint]

honestly, I'd hold off for a bit.  see if you can manage not to get another ticket ( ), then determine if you really get them enough that it's worth putting down $500 on a top of the line radar detector.  That was my plan, and I haven't bought one yet  

I agree and disagree.

I went 6 years and 120K miles without even a legitimate traffic stop (only stupid BS like 47/45) before I bought the Valentine (or even used any radar detector). I usually don't really speed (I'm usually in the bottom third percentile). I bought the Valentine as a buffer, only to pick up radar (laser detector is useless) for the small chance I may be going quicker than I though.. Every time I see Ka light up, I take a quick glance at the speedo; 95% of the time, I don't even lift off the gas.

The most important part of using a radar detector is that the only way your driving style changes is for the better. If you get a detector and start driving faster everywhere because "you're safe", you're going to reduce it's effectiveness. Also, don't rely on it completely; you still need to keep your eyes peeled (the one time I was pulled over with the V1, the officer estimated my speed; he never got me on radar).

[RedRoof2]

The most important part of using a radar detector is that the only way your driving style changes is for the better. If you get a detector and start driving faster everywhere because "you're safe", you're going to reduce it's effectiveness.

You know what, I thought about this and realized that's exactly what happened with me.  When I bought some crappy little detector off Walmart's clearance bin, I was initially trying to avoid getting nailed by troopers on the thruway and the mass pike.  Then I started getting sick of anticipating the thing to beep so i could whack the brakes and avoid getting caught.   I just slowed it down a bit, cranked up the tunes, had a bottle of water and started relaxing a bit more.  Now I don't even bother with a detector,  partly because the jeep is slow, but also because i'm sick of that little twinge of fear I used to get whenever I see the snout of a NYS crown vic poking out from a turnaround.  It really did help me change my style and my whole attitude about driving.  Now if i'm hauling ass, it's only for a very short WOT session in an area where no cops hang out, for a gear or a gear and a half only.  The MR2 pretty much destroyed any desire i'd ever have to be on the wrong side of the law ever again.  It destroyed a lot of other things too, like my wallet and my patience.  You can probably tell.

[Kavik]

If you get a detector and start driving faster everywhere because "you're safe", you're going to reduce it's effectiveness.

if you fall into the category of it making you a more careful driver, that's really great.  But I've seen too many people that fit the quote above.....drive like maniacs because they're sure the radar detector will save them.....then can't figure it out when they still get a ticket 

[deadlydave]

This is300 is pretty stealthy considering it comes with 4 times the factory power output.  FS: only 25k.

Car has made 703whp at 29psi and has ran 10.7@133 with only 26psi on straight pump gas and meth with VERY mild timing.

I'd link the pics but i'm at work and can't see em anyway.
http://my.is/forums/f172/fs-01-is300-turbo-10-7-133-700whp-6spd-405269/

EDIT: I'm a moron and used the img tag instead of URL tag.

[9925leggy]

This is300 is pretty stealthy considering it comes with 4 times the factory power output.  FS: only 25k.

I'd link the pics but i'm at work and can't see em anyway.
http://my.is/forums/f172/fs-01-is300-turbo-10-7-133-700whp-6spd-405269/

EDIT: I'm a moron and used the img tag instead of URL tag.

From his other rides that thing was built niiiiiice