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Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« on: August 13, 2010, 10:55:52 PM »
     I'm sure I will get smited for this thread by someone or people that don't agree, but so be it...just expressing my opinion. Maybe someone can change my view on this, as much as I doubt it, but for now I am just really pissed off. So let's start off with saying that I got a pretty good deal (so far anyway) on an '04 STI down in PA. It had a brand new engine (less than a week old) and turbocharger (less than 1 1/2yrs old) installed before I purchased it. I have the receipts showing the work done along with the total spent on it at the Subaru dealership in PA (always good to have records). Now about 4 months after buying it, I see that the Air Bag light is coming on every so often. So being that I like the idea of my head having a place to go that is somewhat soft and a little less lethal, I decided to take it to Capitaland to get it fixed. I brought it in, dropped it off and the next day got a call saying it was done. When I asked for the total, I found out it was just a little shy of $300(!). I asked if a sensor was bad or what was wrong. I was told and I quote (even though they deny it): "There were some loose wires and a bulb had to be replaced". I just said "Oh..." and told them I would be there later to pick it up. I was pissed off and happy that I had some ammo...he said a bulb had to be replaced...? What bulb exactly would you be replacing; I'm pretty sure the Air Bag light was coming on juuuust fine. I arrived there later and talked to the same guy I spoke to on the phone. He denied ever saying anything about a bulb and at that point, I really didn't have an argument. Apparently someone literally spent 3 hours working on my car to find a loose wire (sarcasm), maybe that is the case, I do not know.
     Fast forward a month, my car is leaking oil from the passenger's side head, I bring it there and get charged for a couple of hours (~$200) to get the cam cover bolt taken out, have some anti-seize put on it, and put back in place. I'm happy that the problem is fixed and I honestly do not know what is involved with getting to that damn little bolt, so all is fine. Thanks Capitaland...no problem here. About a month after this incident, my Air Bag light is BACK ON. Great...that sucks, but it's hard to find time to drive my car to a dealership during business hours to fix this. So I let it go for a while. Now skip forward to just the other day, the driver's side head is now doing the same thing as the passenger's side was, leaking oil. So I call up Capitaland and tell them the problem with the oil leak and I tell them that the airbag light had come back on again, so I need that fixed as it should be under warranty (I assumed that work/parts were warrantied 12kmi/12 months...shouldn't assume I guess). They said no problem and I dropped the car off to them.
     So now I go today to pick the car up and I am told the bill is $230+. No big deal, I just thought maybe this side took a little longer than last. I paid and I am handed the invoice, I start to walk out and then I look down at it... there is a line item for fixing the air bag light in the amount of $40+ for "...added a wire tie to try to keep in place..."! WHAT THE FUCK?!?! So I go back to the guy and say "shouldn't this be under warranty?” I am told "no, it is not a part, only parts are warrantied". So I just turn around and leave, I'm pissed and arguing with someone isn't really going to do any good. But I have to say this...what the fuck business does NOT warranty their work? Seriously? So if you didn't fix the problem right the first time, I am supposed to pay you bastards more money to put a fucking $0.001 zip tie on it? The great part is I am told that the only way this could have been fixed right is if they had replaced the wiring harness. Well fuckers, why didn't you give me that option originally? Now I have the world's most expensive zip tie ($340+) as some ghetto ass fix for my SRS system! Something else that's great...my invoice from the first time for the "fix" states "Repair wires and connections reassemble all ok." So far it looks like they didn't actually repair any wires or connections if all they did was plug it back in and charge me ~$300.
     I guess the bottom line is this, I didn't argue much and I kept my composure. Reason being: I am going to have a field day with this one. A copy of this message will be edited for naughty words (lol) and sent along with copies to Capitaland management along with Subaru of America. I'm pretty sure there is some law that prohibits paying for work that isn't actually done too...not too sure about that though (yes that is sarcasm yet again). Seeing as though I have in writing that they did something they actually didn't and all they have is my signature signing that I wanted the work done... However, even if all is lost and I get no other satisfaction, I can get even... They may have unfairly charged me by quite a bit, but I figure all that it would take is to dissuade a few, maybe 3 people from going to get their work done there. Hell, I can think of a LOT of people that own Subarus (no, not just you guys lol) and will need work done on them eventually. I also know if this crazy place called the interwebz. It's a wonderful thing when someone uses a search engine to find a place and some of the first results include user ratings. All it takes is one person with a bad experience to help change another person's mind about something. But what do I know? I'm just a disgruntled customer with a message.  :knuppel2:


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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 11:29:31 PM »
Okay sometimes looking at a situation from afar provides a little different perspective. I am going through a similar situation with my A/C unit at my house. They are charging you initially for the diagnosis of the problem. Time is everything to these (st)dealerships, its their life blood. So if it took them two - three hrs to find the problem, you got billed for that. Yeah, they cheaped out and zip-tied it, that is shoddy work but if it had held you would never have known about it. Your gripe is they whacked you twice for something that should have been taken care of the first time, the right way. You're paying for someone's conscious decision to not do the job right the 1st time. I would file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. One tip, give them (capitaland) the opportunity to make good on it before you drop the hammer everywhere about them. That way they have no chance to counter anything you say or do. My .02.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2010, 11:50:51 PM »
M2KS - you are correct, yes I am upset about getting charged twice to re-fix what they did not fix properly the first time.  I do understand a diagnostics fee, Capitaland's is $85 as they will tell you. So even if they charged me $85 to diagnose the problem and it took them an hour to plug the wire back in, that would still be less than $200. Either way as I said, even with sarcasm: "Apparently someone literally spent 3 hours working on my car to find a loose wire (sarcasm), maybe that is the case, I do not know." Yes, I would not know if they had used a zip tie to initially fix the problem (had they actually done that in the first place) but the point of my rant, if I didn't clarify that enough, was that they charged me again AND all they did was spend a minute to do some fucked up cob job.
     I think by telling them that I didn't think they should charge me was enough of a chance for them. BBB is one of my several stops along the way with this. Maybe in the future, something like this won't take place as easily if they do get a little bashing from someone other than just a customer. I know I would be pissed if a loved one (mother, aunt, sister, etc.) with no car knowledge had gotten boned like this. It's just dirty and not tolerable.  :x Thanks for the feedback though.  :-)
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 12:04:28 AM »
What I meant by giving them a chance was that go to the Service Manager. I wasn't sure if you spoke to someone at the counter or someone who actually can make a decision at the dealership like a manager. If you did that already, then you have nothing more to say to them. Good Luck whatever you decide. On a side note, people today just don't give a fuck. Not to jack your thread but I went to BestBuy tonight to lay down $2000.00 on a HDTV and the fuckin girl at the customer service desk was so incompetent I couldn't wait any longer, so I left pissed. I'll take my business elsewhere. The said part is, these companies don't give a fuck.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 12:30:31 AM »
On a side note, people today just don't give a fuck. Not to jack your thread but I went to BestBuy tonight to lay down $2000.00 on a HDTV and the fuckin girl at the customer service desk was so incompetent I couldn't wait any longer, so I left pissed. I'll take my business elsewhere. The said part is, these companies don't give a fuck.

I completely agree and I know first hand that being on the sales end of things sucks worse because of the people like that girl. When I was in retail, people would be shocked to talk with someone that "knew about what they were selling and was friendly and able to answer their questions". I mean I know places like Best Buy, Office Max, etc. don't pay a lot, but if you have a job, fucking do it right at least! Companies only care when it affects their profits. That being said, it's what I aim to hurt if only in the smallest of ways.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 02:07:37 AM »
I'm not going to 'smite' you for your opinion. But here's mine:

  I don't agree with your approach at all.  Why didn't you don't raise hell while you're standing there in the shop when the work was just done, but instead choose to take the issue to a public forum, specifically with the intent of making trouble for a business.  Do you really expect anyone is going to get a straight story on this when by the time you go through the BBB and SOA (and any other acronyms), it could be a month or 2 after the current work was done, putting the original work even further back in anyone's mind.....look at how things changed from the phone call to picking up the car, then multiply that by 30-60 days of time to forget what was said and what was done.

If you felt this strongly about it, you should have said something while you were still there, and I don't mean just argue with the one guy you dealt with. Pull his supervisor in so they can determine if it was done the way the shop would approve of, or if they just have one guy there that needs to get his act together.  More-so, if you had your doubts about the work the second time around, could you not have told them to diagnose and contact you before doing repairs rather then leaving it with them with orders to do whatever and bill you later?

 I'm all for your opinion that a company should back up their work (within reason, which this should have been considered within reason from what you say), and I mean that for both parts, labor completed, and for their decisions in the methods used to make a repair when that decision is left up to their judgment.
 However, I also think that you're choosing a very poor way of resolving the issue.  As consumers we're all so spoiled, thinking everything either must be perfect, or there has to be some sort of vengeance oriented retribution.  "I didn't argue much and I kept my composure. Reason being: I am going to have a field day with this one." <- That right there: Why?? What do you gain out of 'having a field day', and what does that even mean?  What's your goal? You want your car fixed, get your money back, or just general 'revenge'? I don't get it. 
 Let's say you paid them for the work, and your check bounced. Would you rather they immediately take you to court hoping to screw up your credit history to get back at you for the inconvenience, but only after posting signs about you in every store you like to shop in?  Or should they first talk to you directly in an attempt to resolve the issue?
 If you want a company as a whole to provide good service, then be a good customer.  Go to a manager (that's why they have them) and explain the situation to them, try to resolve the issue while everyone involved is there and while both the work and conversations are fresh in everyone's minds.  Keeping quiet and planning to attack later in a public forum....well, if I were the business I wouldn't go out of my way to resolve an issue with someone who did that to me.


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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 12:37:23 PM »
Kavik-

I'm not going to 'smite' you for your opinion. But here's mine:

  I don't agree with your approach at all.  Why didn't you don't raise hell while you're standing there in the shop when the work was just done, but instead choose to take the issue to a public forum, specifically with the intent of making trouble for a business.  Do you really expect anyone is going to get a straight story on this when by the time you go through the BBB and SOA (and any other acronyms), it could be a month or 2 after the current work was done, putting the original work even further back in anyone's mind.....look at how things changed from the phone call to picking up the car, then multiply that by 30-60 days of time to forget what was said and what was done.

I feel that I adequately expressed my unhappiness with what I felt to be unfair billing (in both instances of the SRS system being "fixed") to the different associates. Yes, I do believe that the BBB and SOA will get a straight story seeing as I have the service department's notes and bills for the "repairs", each indicating what was done. So it is pretty black and white as far as they should be concerned.

If you felt this strongly about it, you should have said something while you were still there, and I don't mean just argue with the one guy you dealt with. Pull his supervisor in so they can determine if it was done the way the shop would approve of, or if they just have one guy there that needs to get his act together.  More-so, if you had your doubts about the work the second time around, could you not have told them to diagnose and contact you before doing repairs rather then leaving it with them with orders to do whatever and bill you later?
Seeing as this was not my first time and this was not the same guy from the first time, I believe the problem is more than just one guy. I also believe that on the phone, when I mentioned this should be warrantied work, I was not told otherwise. Nor do I remember ordering anyone to “do whatever and bill me later”… Honestly that is another sour note on their part for not contacting the customer prior, but it’s moot.


However, I also think that you're choosing a very poor way of resolving the issue.  As consumers we're all so spoiled, thinking everything either must be perfect, or there has to be some sort of vengeance oriented retribution.  "I didn't argue much and I kept my composure. Reason being: I am going to have a field day with this one." <- That right there: Why?? What do you gain out of 'having a field day', and what does that even mean?  What's your goal? You want your car fixed, get your money back, or just general 'revenge'? I don't get it.
I do realize that I could have been “that kind of an asshole customer” (as a business would see it) and pull more people into an argument, yes very true.  The idiom “having a field day “means simply “to have an opportunity to do a lot of something you want to do, especially to criticize someone”. That is the kind of “asshole customer” I chose to be, albeit passive aggressive in nature, it still does the job. My goal is to be informative (yes it will be a bit biased as it is about my car and my money) about the shit work that was done and the cost of said work. Do I actually think I am going to get any money back and would it actually make anything better? No, I am already turned off to Capitaland and all I am doing now is expressing my opinion on what happened.
Let's say you paid them for the work, and your check bounced. Would you rather they immediately take you to court hoping to screw up your credit history to get back at you for the inconvenience, but only after posting signs about you in every store you like to shop in?  Or should they first talk to you directly in an attempt to resolve the issue?

I think comparing what could be a customer’s mistake to an actual business practice is not a good comparison. However, even giving the apples to oranges nature of this, I would say that they had already been spoken to…twice. Let’s say I (the customer), is a teacher and the service employee who represents Capitaland is a student. If they did something wrong in class, like hit someone, I would give them a detention (bad reviews). I wouldn’t necessarily call their parents (manager) and tell them that their child needs to…un-hit(?) that person or else they get a detention (bad reviews). Ugh, so much for my butchered metaphor. :P

If you want a company as a whole to provide good service, then be a good customer.  Go to a manager (that's why they have them) and explain the situation to them, try to resolve the issue while everyone involved is there and while both the work and conversations are fresh in everyone's minds.  Keeping quiet and planning to attack later in a public forum....well, if I were the business I wouldn't go out of my way to resolve an issue with someone who did that to me.
I believe that I played my role as a good customer just fine. I took my business to a place that was supposed to fix it. I handed my keys over, trusting that the work to be done would be thorough and reasonably priced as per their billing scheme. I even paid in good faith before seeing the breakdown of the bill the second time around for the SRS “fix”. I don’t know why your definition of quiet is different from mine, but I believe that expressing your displeasure with a good or service to a business representative is far from it. In fact, I know when I worked in sales, if someone was not pleased; I would actually offer to get a member of management for them. I would NOT engage the customer telling them the reason they are wrong if they were not happy. I suppose if I had not just spent my whole day at work and had wanted to be MORE confrontational, I could have called in a second person to argue with.
     Look at it this way: If you are running a business and you hear of a complaint, whether it be from someone inside your establishment or from a review online (restaurants in particular get these often), don’t you think you would look into making sure something similar in nature is less likely to happen in the future? I’m not looking to be liked by anyone, but I will be damned if I have to both pay a business for something AND be “a good customer” or “respected” when they fuck me over.

Last thing I'll say is this:  If you expect your complaints to be taken seriously, a more respectable composition will go a long way in getting more respect returned.
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A copy of this message will be edited for naughty words (lol) and sent along with copies to Capitaland management along with Subaru of America.

This is not meant to be a newspaper worthy review, it is a review in the words of a pissed off customer. No respect needed… I already paid ~$340+, it is they who need MY respect and that of any other customer whose trust they want to gain.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 10:58:17 PM »
Just got back in for the night. A total of maybe 80 miles since I picked the car up from Capitaland. Guess what light is back on?...yep...the Air Bag light! So I wonder if they warranty their work for 24+hrs? Only one way to find out, a trip to Capitaland to see if the manager is in on Monday. Doing a PSA is one thing, but if my car is still having problems even AFTER their ghetto fix, now I'm even more pissed off.  :tickedoff:
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 11:15:02 PM »
It's pretty apparent that you have a serious desire to butt heads with someone over this for whatever reason....sorry, I don't want to get that deep into it.


  I just want to elaborate on one point because I think you misunderstood my meaning when you responded with this:
"This is not meant to be a newspaper worthy review, it is a review in the words of a pissed off customer. No respect needed… I already paid ~$340+, it is they who need MY respect and that of any other customer whose trust they want to gain."

I wasn't referring to earning respect from Capitaland.
  As a potential customer reading a review (and I mean this whether it was Capitaland or some place I've never even heard of), if I read this I would consider it briefly, but I would still give the company a chance.  Someone says they're this upset, but waits until after the fact and sounds excited about the prospect....well, first instinct for me is to wonder why the person waited.  In other words, credibility can easily be lost in the eyes of both the company you're fighting, as well as those that you're trying to reach.
  I'm just saying that if the point of this (the pissed off customer, non-newspaper-worthy) review was to ward off customers, that goal could have been met better with the same advice.  And that's how it was intended, as advice not insult.

Again, just my two cents about the way you went about this, I'm not saying there's anything dishonest about your complaint, just that it could easily be construed that way.

That said, good luck with your resolution whatever it my be


(quick PS because your last post was made after I wrote all this: That's really messed up that it's back on again so soon...definitely reason to gripe! But I'm glad to see you're giving the manager route a chance this time)
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2010, 01:10:06 AM »
I'm a firm supporter of Fred and the parts department at Capitaland, but their service department is less than satisfactory IMO.

When I had my accident a while back on I-90, I had the insurance work done at a local shop on the recommendation from someone I trust completely. When the work was completed, the car was sent to Capitaland for an alignment. When they did the alignment, my car didn't meet the OE spec (I was at .2° positive camber on the front driver wheel); they didn't tell the body shop, so I got my car back with issues still there.

I eventually got the issue resolved, but only after Gus @ Precision Auto went to bat for me.

Unless a member of UNYSOC was to do the work (you know who you are), I would not use Capitaland in the future...
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2010, 02:11:01 PM »
It's pretty apparent that you have a serious desire to butt heads with someone over this for whatever reason....sorry, I don't want to get that deep into it.

I really don't, I'm just pissed about it.

As a potential customer reading a review (and I mean this whether it was Capitaland or some place I've never even heard of), if I read this I would consider it briefly, but I would still give the company a chance.

I think you misunderstand, I am not looking to change the UNYSOC community's opinion about Capitaland. I believe that a large majority of us have already dealt with them and have made their minds up one way or another. This was more of a post to show how I felt like I was screwed over. The reviews would be posted on other sites. For instance, you go to google and type in Capitaland GMC...your first link has reviews on it. That would be where one of mine would go as well. I have not submitted any reviews or letter as of yet. I was stopped midway when I saw the light back on...

Unless a member of UNYSOC was to do the work (you know who you are)...

I'm all ears  :-)
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2010, 02:53:40 PM »
I have never been happy with capitallands service department.  They have never been able to fix anything for me but they have no problem charging me up the ass everytime.  I have always felt like I was getting raped.  My father refuses to go there anymore after buying 2 diesel work vans and his personal truck (gmc 3500 4 door) because of their service department and complete failure to take care of warranty issues.  They once went through 10 grand in service charges on his work van before figuring out it was an injection pump, he was there for weeks. 

That being said Fred is awesome and the parts department has never let me down. 
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2010, 11:59:33 PM »
I have never been happy with capitallands service department.  They have never been able to fix anything for me but they have no problem charging me up the ass everytime.  I have always felt like I was getting raped.  My father refuses to go there anymore after buying 2 diesel work vans and his personal truck (gmc 3500 4 door) because of their service department and complete failure to take care of warranty issues.  They once went through 10 grand in service charges on his work van before figuring out it was an injection pump, he was there for weeks.  

That being said Fred is awesome and the parts department has never let me down.  

curious what didnt they fix for you there?

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that would be me.

first off, i will bite my tongue here, ive been at capitaland for roughly 6 months now. im not going to get into all of the warranty bullshit because i honestly dont know what you have for things to be covered. alot of customer's come in and say they have a noise or light come on. as a tech, we see that said issue on a peice of paper, and try and get the issue to happen for us. idk if your SRS light was coming on and off, staying on? whatever...do you know what was completely done to that car? before you bought it? like every repair bill and service since it was built? my guess is you have some but not all. you said it had a new engine? for me thats a huge redlight...just me though.

your SRS light could be a few things, god only knows what the other tech did...i dont know i dont work with him nor usually pay attention to what he works on. you could have a short somewhere that could take day's to find. i am not saying it was right to not call you and do the "supposed" repair, i dont know what has been said between you and the service advisor...i get things to work on that is all.

you are going about this the completely wrong way though. you had a bad experience with us once, so you bring it back again? take this with a grain of salt...you have a passenger side cam cover bolt leaking? on a new motor? they certainly did an awesome job of not pinching your gasket and possibly not replacing the o-rings for the bolts. and then your drivers side is leaking? phew send me to the tech that did that work. i dont know the whole story between you and the people up front but coming on here and griping about it to get people to not go there is just rediculous. ive briefly "looked" at your car when the hood was open and not saying it was you but i saw minor things i didnt like. i understand you have had issues and your beyond angry, i would be too, but making a stink about this isnt going to resolve your issue. you need to talk to the service manager. if he doesnt help then go to SOA over this. customers like this frustrate us because nothing will ever be good enough from here on out.

i personally would not have had those tech's look at your car...there are a few of us there that actually know what we are doing though. and you should have made a scene with the advisor instead of just walking away and getting pissed off even worse. and your going to go tell every subaru owner you know, not to come to us? not the best plan of action and no im not saying that because i work there. im saying that because thats childish and you havent even tried to get things resolved through the manager. until you do, nothing should have been brought up.

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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 12:51:45 AM »
understand where i am coming from here?

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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 11:10:43 AM »
As a person who deals with customer complaints on a regular basis I see where you are coming from. I would be pretty pissed and would have done just about the same thing. Everything excluding walking out without stinking up the place. I work pretty hard for my money so I will be damned if someone is going to wrongfully take it for me. I like a lot of people at Capitaland but anyplace that did this to me, regardless of who works there, would be smited by me too. Guess all I am doing is agreeing with you.

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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2010, 08:37:06 AM »
I know my dad won't get a Subaru again because he claims there is no good dealership near by... My brother has two Subarus now but is looking at a Honda as a replacement for his forester because of poor local service and the fact that my mom has had such great service from Mohawk Honda.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2010, 09:16:49 AM »
My parents bought their last 3 at capitalland but won't go back.  They just bought a new one at advantage subaru in troy and have been very happy with them so far.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2010, 01:56:05 AM »
I had evap CEL issues for a long time. I finally got everything ironed out and was CEL free for months. I take my car in for the fuel line recall on 02-03s, I get it back and BAMF Gross Leak CEL. I call the dealer and it's $90 up front for the test. At the time I was unemployed, and didn't have that kind of money (but I was able to keep my bills and car, thank god).

I'm entirely aware that sometimes things just happen to go wrong. I just hate how it always seems to be when someone takes a wrench to your car. They did however tell me that if it turned out to be something they did the entirity would be covered. However my car historically has been quirky. Anytime something gets fixed a new light comes on, or a new bolt breaks. So I sat on it and just drive around with my Gross leak CEL. Doesn't smell bad until my tank is low.  :mrgreen:

And I especially understand the issue with warranty work, since there's no profit in that. Moreover warranty work on an obviously modified car. Also I tried to clamp some of the hoses myself. Which I assume means I'm SOL.

After I pay off my credit cards I'll bring it in to get the fuel system checked and my AC fixed (I have none).

I honestly prefer doing my own work when possible. I find it satisfying and there's never any question about who to blame.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2010, 03:30:29 AM »
Hrmmm, this should probably go under 'dealer reviews'. 

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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2010, 11:21:41 AM »
that would be me.

first off, i will bite my tongue here, ive been at capitaland for roughly 6 months now. im not going to get into all of the warranty bullshit because i honestly dont know what you have for things to be covered. alot of customer's come in and say they have a noise or light come on. as a tech, we see that said issue on a peice of paper, and try and get the issue to happen for us. idk if your SRS light was coming on and off, staying on? whatever...do you know what was completely done to that car? before you bought it? like every repair bill and service since it was built? my guess is you have some but not all. you said it had a new engine? for me thats a huge redlight...just me though.
I am not even upset or trying to address warranty work, that is not the point of this thread. I would assume a new engine is also irrelevant to an SRS problem. As with any used car, no, I have no way of knowing EVERYTHING that was done to it, just what I have paperwork on. Yes a new engine probably means they blew up the last one from beating on it…once again, not sure why you are focusing on the engine.


your SRS light could be a few things, god only knows what the other tech did...i dont know i dont work with him nor usually pay attention to what he works on. you could have a short somewhere that could take day's to find. i am not saying it was right to not call you and do the "supposed" repair, i dont know what has been said between you and the service advisor...i get things to work on that is all.
I’m not dishing on any service techs, I know they did their job to the best of their ability. It is a business ethics issue more than anything else, second is the lack of a permanent solution.  I am not trying to target a tech and say they did a bad job even if the problem is with the repair job. It’s the fact that I was charged twice because of this. It sucks if you have to bring a car in a second time, but whatever…it’s when you have to pay for it and it’s the SAME problem.


you are going about this the completely wrong way though. you had a bad experience with us once, so you bring it back again? take this with a grain of salt...you have a passenger side cam cover bolt leaking? on a new motor? they certainly did an awesome job of not pinching your gasket and possibly not replacing the o-rings for the bolts. and then your drivers side is leaking? phew send me to the tech that did that work. i dont know the whole story between you and the people up front but coming on here and griping about it to get people to not go there is just rediculous. ive briefly "looked" at your car when the hood was open and not saying it was you but i saw minor things i didnt like. i understand you have had issues and your beyond angry, i would be too, but making a stink about this isnt going to resolve your issue. you need to talk to the service manager. if he doesnt help then go to SOA over this. customers like this frustrate us because nothing will ever be good enough from here on out.

Yes, I had a bad experience the first time. So I decided to give them a second chance, I think that is alright? Yet again we are picking apart the engine work done to my car. Yes, thank you I do realize it was not done the way I would have wanted it to be. I’d be curious about what things you saw that you didn’t like while briefly looking at my car (yes I agree the blue alternator cover is hideous lol). I think you need to decide which side of capitaland you are on. Either you are a tech that doesn’t know exactly what goes on up front and just “gets things to work on” or you are a front desk service rep that has to be ”frustrated with people not ever having things good enough for them.” I realize you are classifying me as a “customer like this” and I don’t exactly appreciate it. I have been in sales for years prior and I have my own side IT job apart from my day job at present time as well. All I was asking for when I went into Capitaland was for my car to be repaired. To clarify, I wanted it to be fixed so that I would not have to have the same problem fixed again in the near future. BUT IF that same problem came up again, it should be re-fixed (aka zip-tied apparently) for a hell of a lot less than $40+ (how about free?). THEN it would be good enough for me.


i personally would not have had those tech's look at your car...there are a few of us there that actually know what we are doing though. and you should have made a scene with the advisor instead of just walking away and getting pissed off even worse. and your going to go tell every subaru owner you know, not to come to us? not the best plan of action and no im not saying that because i work there. im saying that because thats childish and you havent even tried to get things resolved through the manager. until you do, nothing should have been brought up.

Unfortunately for us customers that things are never good enough for, we are not able to choose which tech gets to look at our car. We apparently either get someone competent such as yourself or someone else. I believe “making a scene with the supervisor” would merely put me into another category of customer. Instead I disputed the charge in a civil manner with the service rep… to no avail. A customer should not HAVE to seek out a manager because a business’s practice is messed up. For that, someone can write a review…hence mine.


understand where i am coming from here.
^Exactly what you said…

As a quick update, my SRS light went off the second day after leaving Capitaland. It has not come back on and as such, I am not able to take it back and create a stink. As long as it stays off, I’m fine. Still just pissed about the experience.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2010, 11:43:27 AM »
Did you ever call the service manager and explain the situation to him??????


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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2010, 01:26:09 PM »
I can see your frustration...you can have certain tech's look at your vehicle, instead of getting the short end of the stick.

I'm not picking things out about your engine to make a justified point....my point was, you bought a vehicle with a new motor put into it (my guess is, you didn't know the tech that did the motor).  now problems ensue with that motor because whoever did the work didn't do an awesome job. Oh an the SRS would have something to do with the wiring harness correct? There is a lot of wire that could have gotten pinched, cut etc..while putting a new block in there.

I'm a tech not a service advisor but when I hear something like this, its frustrating...

If you had talked to the service manager, there probably wouldn't have been a thread about this...
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2010, 02:53:53 PM »
A customer should not HAVE to seek out a manager because a business’s practice is messed up.
ummm, no, they shouldn't HAVE to.....but, uhh, that is what they're there for, no?

  I don't have the time or desire to go through all the contradictions of what you are and aren't complaining about (according to your different posts), but I am curious if you've followed through with bringing this to anyone else yet?  BBB, SOA, whatever other of the 'many steps alog the way' that you planned on?
  I'm curious what the reaction is when you appeal to them for a resolution, then admit that you didn't even attempt to review the issue with anyone higher up than a billing clerk.  Will your reaction be any different when they tell you themselves the same things that people have said here?  Will you be offended when they imply you're wasting their time filing a claim without first trying a more amicable approach?

  Even if any of the issues you're complaining about actually are global business practices at this establishment, you're never going to get anyone to admit that.  By only talking to some guy at a counter who has no say in setting standards of operations, you've essentially shot yourself in the foot. If any outside entity even reviews this at this point, I guarantee you the worst thing that will be said is that it was an error made by a single employee, appologies will be made, more intensive training will be promised, someone will wag a finger or slap a wrist and that will be the end of it.


  THAT is the reason that issues should be brought to management, you see?  Even if a resolution isn't reached, then you can build your case off the statements of someone who actually has some sort of authority in the company.  When you throw out complaints about 'business practices' you'll have someones word that those actually are the approved practices and not just a single persons mistaken interpretation.
  You want to make a case against something, anything, then the first step you have to take is removing the scape goats.  You practically hand fed this one when you accepted his answer to your complaint, patted him on the head when you decided his word was as good as that of management, and tucked him in all snug in his pen when you walked away congratulating yourself for 'keeping your composure'.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2010, 05:35:14 PM »
I work at a dealership. As you can tell from my Sig if anyone reads it.

Lets put it this way...

When it comes to my service department, this is what I tell my customers. "You have a warranty, you can go anywhere ELSE with this warranty. I suggest you do so."

My service department is absolutely terrible.

Therefore, I don't want to get involved in this thread, But I will say, yes shady shit like this does go on....easily in more dealerships than not.



You should have blown it out of proportion, got them to do what you need them to do and call it a day, then never go back. Simple.
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Re: Screw Capitaland's service department (NSFW)
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2010, 09:21:28 AM »
Hey at least they did some work for the money a few years ago my wife then fiance took her honda in to John Holtz honda in henrietta and they charged her $300+ for the routine maintenance (oil change, air filter etc) that they didn't do.  I checked the oil before and after and the air filter.  There was still crap in the air filter when we picked it up and the oil was still old and sludgey.  No excuse here.  When we bought our next 2 new vehicles we never even considered going there!
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