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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2011, 03:11:45 PM »
^agreed....this is starting to seem really expensive for a broke college kid.... :?
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2011, 03:45:29 PM »
^agreed....this is starting to seem really expensive for a broke college kid.... :?

Could you afford to ball your car up into scrap, should something go wrong?

Maybe start with autocross?

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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2011, 07:21:15 PM »
As Zeek said, the HPS and HP+ are street pads, with the latter being one good for autocross since speeds don't get as high.

My first event, I had Hawk's Performance Ceramic pads... And in my last sessions I lost all pedal feel and went into runoff in turn 1 (Big Bend) of LRP. If you'd like a good pad that you can drive to the track on that'll work for anyone here (maybe except Zeek and EJ), try the Carbotech XP8s. I had them for a long time, but once I REALLY learned how to brake well, I went through a set with a couple thousand street miles and four or five track days. I moved up to XP10s, and now for the M3 I'm using PFC 01s.

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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2011, 07:53:53 PM »
Yeah, like everyone said there is no replacement for true track pads. Man do they feel amazing when warmed up too.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2011, 02:13:35 AM »
Could you afford to ball your car up into scrap, should something go wrong?

Maybe start with autocross?
Not at this moment...I have a back up vehicle I can drive worst case something does happen....Are my thoughts wrong to presume that I could go in as a novice and learn something or do I need to go get track experience before I start investing money? So far all I have done is used time to try to figure out what I need to do....


Soo carbontech xp8's are the "ideal" pad I should get?
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2011, 12:11:13 PM »
Some insurance companies WILL cover incidents ON TRACK. Just because you're on a race track, you're still at a driving instruction event, and no cars are timed, thus it not being a racing event. If you're worried, contact your insurance company. I know Liberty Mutual has a program w/ BMWCCA for driving events. Worse case scenario... You have car towed off track and down one of the streets nearby and carefully placed next to tree or guiderail. Just saying lol.

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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2011, 01:34:34 PM »
Are my thoughts wrong to presume that I could go in as a novice and learn something or do I need to go get track experience before I start investing money? So far all I have done is used time to try to figure out what I need to do....
Soo carbontech xp8's are the "ideal" pad I should get?

Wha? Yes, the correct sequence is to learn how to drive the car properly, then modify. On the MINI, I run Carbotech XP10 up front, XP8 in back, that's just the preferred consensus in that community. I really like them. Higher the number, higher temp range, but at cold you might get worse braking, more rotor wear.

RE: insurance, yes, I switched to Liberty Mutual last year, on the assurances of the local rep and BMWCCA people, that they WILL cover untimed track days. But other people have been told that Liberty Mutual wouldn't cover ya (it's supposedly ONLY IF you're a card-carrying BMWCCA member.) It seems like murky waters whatever the insurance company, some people are able to get their claims through, others are denied.

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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2011, 01:51:40 PM »
So i should do what i was planning, get my car to be able to pass the safety inspection, do the class, and go from there.  :-P
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2011, 01:20:35 AM »
tempted to bring my camry to one of these events...its not a 140 car but 130 maybe...lol.  do you ever see 7th gen camrys at track days?
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2011, 01:36:32 PM »
tempted to bring my camry to one of these events...its not a 140 car but 130 maybe...lol.  do you ever see 7th gen camrys at track days?

You should def do this.  As long as it passes tech, the cars that no one expects to see are the most fun!
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2011, 12:08:07 AM »
it would pass tech without a prob. i'd have to slap some nice pads in and dismount the snows...  :buck2:
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2011, 08:24:12 AM »
Yeah, I pretty sure the snows would be out- I think they won't let you on track with snows, but I could be mistaken.  Pads, eh- it'd be nice to have 'nice' pads in, but as long as you have fresh fluid- you'd be fine, I'm sure.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2011, 11:26:07 AM »
Um no. You will run through street pads and really wish you had track pads. It's a waste of the track fees/gas/etc to not go with at least very good street pads and new High temp fluid.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2011, 11:49:52 PM »
Like I said, I don't want to scare off anyone, but I just want to make sure you pay close attention to the condition of your car.  Doesn't have to be perfect, but it should be sound from a safety stand point, and from a 'get your money's worth by being able to stay out on track' stand point.

Brake pads - Hawk HPS won't work very well on track, especially at a track that requires a lot of braking (WGI).  The heavier a car is, the worse it is.  I made the mistake of using HPS pads on my first event, and after taking a nice tour of the runoff at the end of the front straight at Lime Rock, spent the rest of the event feathering the throttle and coasting into turns so I didn't have to brake much.  Kinda sucked, but I was still out there.  I used HP+ for many events, but got tired of them melting on the rotors and causing brake shuddering.  Everyone has a favorite track brake pad, and most of them will work safely.    Depending on your car's brake system, you may be just fine.  Stock Hondas tend to have undersized OEM brake systems, but other cars may be up to the task w/o much beefing up.  In Car & Driver they try out the brakes on cars they are reviewing, and it's amazing how some of the sportiest cars come with some pretty weak brakes - fading after 2 laps or 3 panic stops, etc.  Thing is to just be aware of the potential and talk to your instructor about your concerns - they'll work with you and make suggestions based on what you tell them. 

Camry - sure!  I've seen a Taurus, a Fusion, and even a rental Pontiac Grand Prix on track.  The problem with the family cars is it's tough to get performance pads for them, and all-season tires pretty much stink at the track.  You may not be the fastest out there, but it's still fun to be part of the action.  If you're paying attention to your mirrors and letting people by so that you aren't holding others up, everyone is happy to be out there with you.  Again, if you're new, your instructor will help keep an eye on track for you.

Snow tires - not a chance.   :laugh:

Insurance - depends on your insurer.  Best way to find out is to ask them, but be careful; they may cancel you on the spot.  Rumor had it GEICO would drop you if they found out you were planning or had participated in a track day.  Take a read through your policy.  Look for wording in your policy for exclusions.  Some make statements about "competition" or "racing", which you aren't doing here (that's why they don't allow timing equipment in your car).  Some companies have gotten wise to this loophole and now make reference to driving on a "racing surface" or similar, which is what these tracks are.  When I read mine I found out that I'm not allowed to carry nuclear material in my car, or else my insurance is void. So much for my new mods...  :cry:
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2011, 04:55:40 PM »
They've still got spots open for this event! $275 is pretty economical, factor in gas and one night's stay (or tent it at the state campground for real cheap).

For those still on the fence looking to get their feet wet, I hear there will be parade laps during lunch time too.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2011, 09:48:59 PM »
I signed up for the 2 day one is August for me and my father a couple weeks ago, but havent heard anything back yet. Anyone done this before and know how it works.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2011, 11:36:54 AM »
With Patroon? Typically you'll get an automated registration from motorsportreg immediately, and one eventually after you pay, and then something sent out by organizers closer to a month away when you need to get the car inspected, and then usually another reminder closer to the event.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2011, 11:39:02 AM »
I want to do the first one with you. I just have to get the time to get the stuff I need (brakes, etc..)
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2011, 12:16:54 PM »
Leaving for Calabogie in a half hour.  See you guys up there.
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2011, 12:20:41 PM »
Have fun, I know you will!
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2011, 03:21:01 PM »
Leaving for Calabogie in a half hour.  See you guys up there.

Have fun, sir!
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Re: Patroon BMWCCA Drivers School (HPDE) 2011 Schedule
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2011, 11:13:23 PM »
Thanks guys.  I just got here.  That drive took way longer than I wanted it to lol.
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