JDM STi Engine

[evoWiPeR]

Ok so this is my question...

How much so a JDM STi Engine cost in the US? What i mean exactly is how much does it cost to ship it to your door, not installed cause thats a separate issue. Only person i know that might know is Ian, with the STi RS, sooo if anyone else knows pleeeeaaaaseeeee let me know asap.

Thanks!!!!!

[flutyr525]

Waiting for phong to chime in since he has an ej207 in his bugeye but it's not cheap

[SideshowBob]

Yeah, 207's aren't really worth it IMHO since you can build a 2.5 for a similar cost and have more torque.

[phong]

Yeah, 207's aren't really worth it IMHO since you can build a 2.5 for a similar cost and have more torque.

And it can be a completely unreliable piece of shit...especially if you are building using unmodified 205 heads.  I priced it all out back in 07, a properly built hybrid was significantly more expensive.  I paid $2,800.00 for a bare V7 longblock and ecu.  No way in hell you can to a build a comparable engine adding AVCS for that...no way.  I imagine JDMSPECC could cut a similar deal today.

I think the standard EJ207 owners saying goes..."Until you own one..."

Long blocks with everything attached (IM/turbo/acces/harnesses/etc) go for $4,100 (V7) $4,600 (V8) shipped.  Being within driving distance to Montreal means you can go pick out your engine.  The guys at JDMSPECC are great deal with and I have heard the same of the other NASIOC vendors selling these engines.

I am eying low mileage 02-05 Wagons at the the moment...the EJ205 will immediately ripped, sold, and replaced with an EJ207.  Still deciding between V7 or V8. 

[SideshowBob]

And it can be a completely unreliable piece of shit...especially if you are building using unmodified 205 heads.  I priced it all out back in 07, a properly built hybrid was significantly more expensive.  I paid $2,800.00 for a bare V7 longblock and ecu.  No way in hell you can to a build a comparable engine adding AVCS for that...no way.  I imagine JDMSPECC could cut a similar deal today. 

Agreed, but I like torque.

[evoWiPeR]

Now this is my thing, they had a built 207 with monster turbo and said it would be around 7000 Sing$... 6200ish usd is that worth it in you oppin?
he said similar engines built before put down 500+

[phong]

Now this is my thing, they had a built 207 with monster turbo and said it would be around 7000 Sing$... 6200ish usd is that worth it in you oppin?
he said similar engines built before put down 500+

Probably not...the real value of the the 207 is the fact that their strength (V7) approaches that of many built engines straight from the factory, that coupled with heads built to flow and support a 8000K+ redline make for a fun ride.  They realistically aren't 500 hp beasts.  Once cracked open, you might as well just build a 255/7 out in the states. 

For $6200.00 you can build a pretty sweet 255/7.

[evoWiPeR]

Probably not...the real value of the the 207 is the fact that their strength (V7) approaches that of many built engines straight from the factory, that coupled with heads built to flow and support a 8000K+ redline make for a fun ride.  They realistically aren't 500 hp beasts.  Once cracked open, you might as well just build a 255/7 out in the states. 

For $6200.00 you can build a pretty sweet 255/7.

Ok so the engine might not be worth it... would it also be better just to replace the gears in my car with PPG gears, ya than picking up an sti trans?

[phong]

Ok so the engine might not be worth it... would it also be better just to replace the gears in my car with PPG gears, ya than picking up an sti trans?

Can't really offer a knowledgeable opinion on that but it seems hard to beat the strength of the 6 speed right out of the box.  The PPG's come with a ton of strength and weight of the 5 speed but, as BigChill can probably attest, aftermarket gears also come with other potential issues. 

[TheBigChill]

 I'd get an STi tranny before I built a custom box.  Just my two pennies.    Again, I lack direct experience w/ a STi gear-box, but they seem to take plenty o' power before crumbling.  Don't complicate things w/ a custom tranny build.  Those PPG gear sets are like $4,600, and good to ~400hp.  That's serious money for a marginal gain in strength.  Take into account assembly costs, and the possibility of a botched assembly job...you could screw yourself in the end.          You just got a good job, don't spend all your $$ right away.    

[spoolordie]

i thought the straight cut dog gears from PPG were rated for way over 400 ^^

[TheBigChill]

 Straight cut and dog engagement are totally separate things.  One is tooth direction / profile, one is engagement style.

No syncros in a dog-box tranny.  Double clutching and rev matching will become your life.  Maybe you already knew that.  "Dog-box" engagement is retarded for daily use, and anything outside of purpose built race / track car.   Always stick to syncromesh if you plan on driving even almost daily, and want to be able to sell the car at some point.

 Straight cut is stupid loud, and has it's own inherent set of problems based on tooth profile and design.  Boxersix, myself and RedRoof discussed this at length in another thread somewhere.  I'll spare you the repetition.

 I ran straight cut 1st-5th, double syncromesh w/ needle roller conversion, on my Mazda.  It was loud, everyday, all day.  I grew tired of it after 6 months.  Hysam Chalak @ PAR is where I got my gearset, and I had issues, multiple times.  They didn't want to replace parts or warranty shit, but I bullied them a bit.  It seems that early WRX owners had similar issues with PAR / Chalak, so I won't imply that PPG have issues like mine did.

[spoolordie]

yeh ive seen all the different gear options and what not, read a ton about the subarua transmissions both 5 and 6 spd when it comes down to it

6spd is nice, drag racers do not like the ratios, but a great upgrade

built 5spd $$$$$$ pretty strong

im way to lazy to get into all the pros and cons lol

[AirManCam]

IMO the lag would be enough to make me want a 2.5 over a 2.0 but then again most people aren't running bigger turbos with FMIC's.

As far as transmissions go, don't build a 5 speed get a 6 speed. Something about the 5speeds that likes to break, even when built. If you are worried about gearing in a 6 speed, go with an 07 STI transmission and you'll be fine.

[deadlydave]

Redroof, Boxersix, and BigChill all contributed to my thread and research.

For a street car, many agreed a 6mt swap was not only cheaper but the better choice.

[Kavik]

i actually find the 6 speed more annoying for city driving.....but I'd rather than over a constantly noisy tranny

[SideshowBob]

My understanding from talking to bill at DSG about when he used to mechanic for the Subaru USA Rally Team is that long term the tranny cases on the 5 spd flex too much to be reliable no matter what gears are in it.

[TheBigChill]

My understanding from talking to bill at DSG about when he used to mechanic for the Subaru USA Rally Team is that long term the tranny cases on the 5 spd flex too much to be reliable no matter what gears are in it.

    My understanding as well. Totally just moving the bottle-neck to a new area.

[SideshowBob]

Well, yeah, the caveat to my previous statement being that you were making big time power. I still hold onto the regular 5 speed is fine for anything up to a turbo swap for a WRX if you can drive worth a shit.

[evoWiPeR]

Ok so here is a 04 WRX that i was offered

ITEM # QTY UNIT PRICE TOTAL
1 2004 Subaru WRX With the following:
2 - Varis Carbon Fiber Boot and Spolier -
3 - 18" x 8.5 Advan RG2 Rims and Advan AD07 Tyres -
4 - AP Racing 4 Pot Front Brake Kit with 345MM Rotor -
5 - Carbing Under and Upper Strut Braces -
6 - JIC Magic RS Coilovers -
7 - Perrin Front and Rear Sway Bars (22mm & 25mm) -
8 - Perrin Anti Roll Bar Links and Anti Lift Kit -
9 - Perrin Front Castor Kit -
10 - Sard Fuel Surge Tank -
13 -3 x Walbro 255 Fuel Pumps -
14 - Aeroequipt Fuel Lines and Push Lock Connectors -
15 - APS Subaru Fuel Rail -
16 - Power Enterprise 800cc injectors -
17 - Kelford 272 Duration Lift 11mm Cams -
INVOICE
BILLING DETAILS:
DESCRIPTION
18 - Adjustable Cam Spockets -
19 - Super Tech Valve Springs with Retainers -
20 - JDM Subaru Spec C Head Block -
21 - Arias Pistons (Full Coated) Oversize Pins 92.5mm -
22 - Pauter Rods -
23 - Brian Crower Forged Crank 79mm Stroke -
24 - ACL Race Bearings (Main and Rods) -
25 - ARP Headstuds -
26 - Trust TD06 20G Turbo with Trust Waste Gate -
27 - Custom Turbo Kit with Intake and Down Pipe -
28 - Orgura Twin Carbon Clutch kit -
29 - JDM Sti 6 Speed Gearbox with Front and Rear LSD -
30 - AVCR Boost Controller -
31 - Motec M800 With Data Logging & Harness Kit -
32 5 X Defi Meters with Control Unit and Carbon Hood -
33 Inc Boost, Oil Temp, Exhaust Temp, Water Temp -
34 Oil Press Meters -
35 Prodrive Bucket Seat with Corsa Cover and Rails -
36 Passenger Bride Gias Carbon Kevlar Seat with Rails -
37 - Alumium Radiator -
38 - Perrin Radiator Hose Kit -
39 - Custom Bar and Plate Front Mount Intercooler -
40 - Custom Stainless Steel Intercooler Piping with -
ITEM # QTY UNIT PRICE TOTAL
41 -
42 -
43 -
44 -
45 -
46 Pivot Shift Lamp -
47 Apexi Turbo Timer -
48 Stainless Steel Braided Brake Hoses -
49 -Silicon Hose and Clamps
Blitz SUS Power Air Cleaner
Tomei Extractors and Up Pipe
Custom 3 " Exhaust with Apexi Muffler
Cosworth Oil Pump

shitty copy and paste... sorry just dont feel like fixing it.


Anyways i was offered this car cut in Half and shipped back home with all these parts on it.

What do you guys estimate the cars worth as?

[spoolordie]

totally parted over 3500$ usd

[madlife]

i actually find the 6 speed more annoying for city driving.....but I'd rather than over a constantly noisy tranny

I concur.. the extra shifting is a bit bitchy... although other than an absolute dead stop, I never put the car in 1st.. it goes pretty well from a <5mph roll where the 5mt gearing would bog down quite a bit.... on a 2.5... I cant imagine it on a 2.0... I would love to have an 8k rpm redline on my car though!!!

Also for daily/city driving... being on a stock FW and clutch makes it so much more civilized to drive than a LW FW and race clutch.

[cazwrx187]

totally parted over 3500$ usd

No way more than that..... It has a ton of high quality parts on it.  Just the Motec Standalone is 5k itself...... Not to mention the advans, ap racing brakes.  Just the transmission is worth 3500.  If you can get that car for under 11k, you my friend, are winning.

[TheBigChill]

  Something is only "worth" what you can get for it.  Until it's sold, it's worth nothing.  Are you going to part this out ?  You're looking for a big, time consuming project, eh ?    Def some nice stuff listed there.

[spoolordie]

  Something is only "worth" what you can get for it.  Until it's sold, it's worth nothing.  Are you going to part this out ?  You're looking for a big, time consuming project, eh ?    Def some nice stuff listed there.

exactly and i do know the cost of parts i look at them everyday and wish lol then realize i should be saving money hahaa