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Offline mikesiena268

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question tht i cant find on the internet!
« on: July 29, 2011, 10:14:07 PM »
on an 05 legacy gt... whts the size of the turbo compared to the sti turbo? also what size injectors are people running with the sti turbos? any insight on this would be great!! ALSO whats everyone running for oil? royal purple or mobile 1? which is more prefered?

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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 10:21:30 PM »
RP or mobil1 don't go well with our motors. I would use Brad Penn/Rotella/Valvoline VR1 along those lines.
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 10:35:25 PM »
alright thanks, i heard royal was good but i didnt know what i want to use in it!

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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 10:42:19 PM »
I use Rotella t6 5w-40 in my 195,000 mile impreza. I also won't ever run anything lighter weight than that in any Subaru I own.
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2011, 09:25:32 AM »
sti turbo will not fit on your LGT, they are completly different shaped turbos. the best upgrade is to send out your turbo for a 18g upgrade.  i think someone else mentioned it in your other thread.  or look for a VF52 from a 09+ wrx.

but again a STI turbo will not bolt onto your legacy

your turbo is a VF40

sti's are a vf39 or newer ones are vf48
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2011, 10:34:34 AM »
alright sick that gave me all the info i needed lol, you guys know anyone tht could do the 18g upgrade? (just trying to get all my ducks in a row) lol

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2011, 11:55:45 AM »
I use valvolene maxlife in my vf39 312 whp, 137000+ mile wrx, and have since about 90000. I hear royal people and mobile 1 make bad things happen.  As far as your turbo, look for a vf52 from an 09 and up wrx or call blouch turbo in PA. Those guys are the shit!  If you can find it a vf52 is a great turbo I know of 09 wrx s with downpipe, injectors, fuel pump and intercooler putting in the neighborhood of 350 to the wheels. Also about that intercooler, you are going to want to upgrade, I can almost guarantee that thing will pop with more boost. Ive seen it happen with those plastic end caps.

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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2011, 12:30:02 PM »
http://bnrsupercars.com/

they do the stock turbo upgrades.

full writeup on what they do can be found here
http://gonzaloherrero.com/bnr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=111

if you want a larger turbo contact them, you will also need new injectors, intercooler, fuel pump.

and a protune!!!!!!
« Last Edit: July 30, 2011, 12:33:46 PM by FastfreddyRs »
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2011, 02:31:39 PM »
I don't know enough about legacy setups to give any definitive info.....but I was under the impression that the difference with a legacy turbo and an sti turbo is a matter of the outlet being rotated differently?

Since this guy has a fmic instead of the stock tmic....would that open up more options to him if the turbo to intercooler piping could be modified?




edit:  wait a minute.  Perrin's site says their front mount is designed for Legacy's running an Sti style turbo.  And that it CAN run with Legacy style turbos, but only with an additional coupler.
  I think it might be helpful to post up some detailed pics of your turbo and fmic setup....you may already have everything there that you need to run a turbo designed for an impreza
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2011, 02:49:37 PM »
yeah ill get some pics up of the front mount conectors and the turbo on it now!! and everything elsE!on craigslist i found 850cc injectors with new fuel rails and 3/8 stainless fuellines i could grab... you think those injectors are 2 big?

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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2011, 02:57:40 PM »
link to craigslist ad?
the size of the injectors is just guesswork until you decide for sure on which turbo
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2011, 03:08:36 PM »
yeah ik what ur saying on the injector size and turbo size i just seen them and called and the injectors he said are new just never threw them on his car and the rails have like 20k miles on them! but heres the link im tryin to throw some pics up on the turbo setup what was that website the fits them to size? i forgot and i cant think of it lool

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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2011, 09:46:41 PM »
RP or mobil1 don't go well with our motors. I would use Brad Penn/Rotella/Valvoline VR1 along those lines.

There's nothing wrong with using Mobil1 or Royal Purple as long as you understand the ratings and what they mean.  Mobil1 is decent but succumbs to contaminants and dilution more quickly than some other oils.  It's SM rated, so technically it's acceptable for the subaru.  I'd consider a 5w40 for that one.  In fact, for the money they're charging these days, I'd just skip it altogether.  It's not a bad oil, it's just that there are tons better out there.  The whole 5w30 recommendation is a laugh, IMO.  A turbocharged engine that's modified should not run piss water for a lubricant, especially knowing most of the assholes complaining about Mobil1 are the same assholes who don't wait until the oil (not the coolant) is up to full temperature before jamming the throttle open.

Royal Purple is an outstanding oil, just like Amsoil.  The trouble is, it's not SM rated.  According to Subaru, using an oil like that is sacrilege.  In their quest for protection and lubricity, the kind folks at Royal Purple gave the SM standards the middle finger.  They didn't believe it was worth it to remove significant amounts of pressure-protecting additives, just so the catalytic converters and O2 sensors could live a little longer and keep warranty claims minimized.  Amsoil found a way and earned an SM rating on their oil.  Different makers, different philosophies. That's really the gist of it all.  If you use a non-SM rated top tier synthetic in your engine, it's not going to blow up.  In fact, it *may* even physically protect a little better due to the additives that are less present in SM "energy conserving" oils.

I've been running non-SM oils in my Jeep and haven't thought twice about it until a recent experiment.  140k and it's the quietest 4.0L you'll ever hear - NO valvetrain noise at all.  The exhaust is louder than the mechanical noise of the engine.  For kicks, I switched over to 5w40 Rotella T6 full synthetic (an SM-rated diesel oil) and the valvetrain noise grew significantly louder within 5 minutes of changing the oil.  A few hundred miles later, I had to remove the valvecover and tighten rocker arms.  I'll be switching back to Amsoil after this interval is up and that's an SM rated oil.  Same story with my Ninja 250r.  The most popular oil in the Ninja owner's group is that 5w40 Rotella T6 and I can't understand why.  Must be a cost-related thing.  After putting that in, my clutch basket sounded like a midget was banging away with a small metal hammer.  My valves, which were silent as could be, suddenly need serious adjustment within 200 miles of that oil change - they're very loud.  I made no other changes to the engine.  Now you tell me what that means.  Once again, switching back to the recommended 10w40 Amsoil SJ-rated motorcycle oil and clutch engagement is much nicer, clutch basket is quiet as can be.  Valve still need serious adjustment though.  Same with the jeep.  They're clacking away again and within a 500 miles of re-torquing the rocker arm bolts.  Lesson learned.
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2011, 10:09:19 PM »
so what oil would you suggest?

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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2011, 10:17:04 PM »
For the money, Amsoil.  If you're spending 7-8 bucks per quart for Mobil1, you may as well hop online and order up a case of Amsoil and be done with it.  Get a WIX premium filter or something else quality, run the best synthetic oil you can afford and that's it.  There's nothing wrong with using Mobil 1, Castrol Syntec or any of the other less expensive synthetics (though if you're going to do that, I'd choose Valvoline Synpower as the "best of the rest).  But for the extra 2-3 bucks per quart, you may as well give it the best of all of them.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 11:24:11 PM »
There's nothing wrong with using Mobil1 or Royal Purple as long as you understand the ratings and what they mean.  Mobil1 is decent but succumbs to contaminants and dilution more quickly than some other oils.  It's SM rated, so technically it's acceptable for the subaru.  I'd consider a 5w40 for that one.  In fact, for the money they're charging these days, I'd just skip it altogether.  It's not a bad oil, it's just that there are tons better out there.  The whole 5w30 recommendation is a laugh, IMO.  A turbocharged engine that's modified should not run piss water for a lubricant, especially knowing most of the assholes complaining about Mobil1 are the same assholes who don't wait until the oil (not the coolant) is up to full temperature before jamming the throttle open.

Royal Purple is an outstanding oil, just like Amsoil.  The trouble is, it's SJ rated.  According to Subaru, using an oil like that is sacrilege.  In their quest for protection and lubricity, the kind folks at Royal Purple gave the SM standards the middle finger.  They didn't believe it was worth it to remove significant amounts of pressure-protecting additives, just so the catalytic converters and O2 sensors could live a little longer and keep warranty claims minimized.  Amsoil found a way and earned an SM rating on their oil.  Different makers, different philosophies. That's really the gist of it all.  If you use an SJ rated top tier synthetic in your engine, it's not going to blow up.  In fact, it may even physically protect a little better due to the additives that are less present in SM "energy conserving" oils.

I've been running SJ-rated oils in my Jeep and haven't thought twice about it until a recent experiment.  140k and it's the quietest 4.0L you'll ever hear - NO valvetrain noise at all.  The exhaust is louder than the mechanical noise of the engine.  For kicks, I switched over to 5w40 Rotella T6 full synthetic (an SM-rated diesel oil) and the valvetrain noise grew significantly louder within 5 minutes of changing the oil.  I'll be switching back to Amsoil after this interval is up and that's an SM rated oil.  Same story with my Ninja 250r.  The most popular oil in the Ninja owner's group is that 5w40 Rotella T6 and I can't understand why.  Must be a cost-related thing.  After putting that in, my clutch basket sound like a midget was banging away with a small metal hammer.  Once again, switching back to the recommended 10w40 Amsoil SJ-rated motorcycle oil and now it's smooth as a baby, clutch engagement is much nicer.  Lesson learned.
The oil discussion has been beat to sh*t and i'm well aware of the oil ratings but no thanks, you can keep your M1 and RP oil. I'll continue buying Valvoline VR1 for $4.99/qt.
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2011, 08:32:37 AM »
alright thanks, who sells the WIX filters?

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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2011, 10:05:31 AM »
The oil discussion has been beat to sh*t and i'm well aware of the oil ratings but no thanks, you can keep your M1 and RP oil. I'll continue buying Valvoline VR1 for $4.99/qt.

It was for the OP, not for you.   And no, the oil discussion has not been beaten to shit.  There's no FAQ or sticky yet.  There will be soon.

Non-synthetic VR1 is essentially the same as buying a full synthetic SM as far as pressure protection goes, but without the benefit of synthetic's lubricity.  Full synthetic Valvoline Synpower is on sale at NAPA for $3.29/quart, rebottled under their brand.  The joy of synthetic in turbocharged engines is well documented.  I stick with my SJ-rated Royal Purple because it works for me.  After thousands of dollars in headwork, a turbocharger, bottom end upgrades, exhaust, suspension upgrades and tires,  an extra $3-4/quart to lubricate it all isn't exactly busting my balls.

WIX filters can be had through NAPA in their Gold filter line.  Advance auto sells Mobil1 and Purolator PureOne filters.  Either way, just get a premium filter, don't stuff a budget orange FRAM or some whitebox discount job on there.
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2011, 01:08:16 PM »
Been using Amsoil for the past year and my motor loves it!
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 12:12:38 PM »
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Re: question tht i cant find on the internet!
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2011, 07:28:37 PM »
FYI (and a question) -

FYI - I just paid for an 18g to be sent from Bryan at BNR and for that turbo he stated that in order for him to honor his warranty, he requires 10w 30,
5w is not viscous enough, and specifically stated no Mobil 1, adding that full synthetics have detergents/chemicals that can negatively affect the internals.  He stated he preferred dino oil or at least a blend for that reason.

My question - does anyone know of a reputable installer for my Stage 3 upgrade: 18g, injectors and fuel pump on my 06 Spec b ?????

Thanks,
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2011, 08:22:10 AM »
Synapse, Fastfreddy, You and some help from a few members.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2011, 09:17:10 AM »
FYI (and a question) -

FYI - I just paid for an 18g to be sent from Bryan at BNR and for that turbo he stated that in order for him to honor his warranty, he requires 10w 30,
5w is not viscous enough, and specifically stated no Mobil 1, adding that full synthetics have detergents/chemicals that can negatively affect the internals.  He stated he preferred dino oil or at least a blend for that reason.

My question - does anyone know of a reputable installer for my Stage 3 upgrade: 18g, injectors and fuel pump on my 06 Spec b ?????

Thanks,
Mike


 That's a super idea.  Use Dino oil in a heavily modified turbocharged car, rather than synthetic.  You'll have an especially easy time coking & varnishing your supply and return lines and hot-side end of the shaft.  There are synthetics out there that lack detergents.
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